Excellent work on the mobile app though I would wonder, since HCB runs on Hotwire, why it was not written as a Hotwire Native app which would leverage the existing Rails Hotwire app and not require a complete rewrite?
The OP built the React Native mobile app - not the entire platform / company. Some folks commenting like they built the company. Just a point of clarification.
That's awesome, and impressive you were able to build that. As an angel investor, my first question would be: how do you deal with financial fraud? Like users exploiting your app for money laundering via donations then spending... Any system that lets money get in and out is eventually used as a channel by launderers.
I get that you want to be "open", but is everyone involved in these transactions ok with them being shared?
Even if they are, this doesn't seem like a good idea security wise. I see partial account numbers and other IDs/numbers that I assume you'd prefer not be public, regardless of how insensitive they may seem now.
EXPENSIFY, INC. VALIDATION XXXXXX5987 THE HACK FOUNDATION
+$0.89
FRONTING $10,000 TO CHRIS WALKER FOR GITHUB GRANTS MADE FROM PERSONAL ACCOUNT
-$10,000.00
You've found an optional feature called Transparency Mode!
I admit, this is A LOT of information being made accessible. We at Hack Club (the nonprofit organization behind HCB, and the owner of the transactions above) have chosen to make our finances publicly available on the internet. You can read more about it here: https://blog.hcb.hackclub.com/posts/transparent-finances-opt...
That link (https://hcb.hackclub.com/hq/transactions) shows our donations and spending down to the cent since we believe donors deserve to know what their contributions are funding. As a nonprofit, you can talk about what you’re spending money on, but transparency in every transaction builds trust for supporters. This level of transparency is definitely atypical, and I can see why it may raise concerns.
Other organizations using HCB (such as Reboot) can choose to enable this feature too (it's off by default), and they're briefed on the potential risks and level of exposure to decide whether it's right for their organization/team. HCB supports 6.5k nonprofits, and roughly 64% of organizations have chosen to enable this feature.
> I see partial account numbers and other IDs/numbers that I assume you'd prefer not be public, regardless of how insensitive they may seem now.
> EXPENSIFY, INC. VALIDATION XXXXXX5987 THE HACK FOUNDATION +$0.89
As for the account numbers (e.g. XXXXXX5987) visible in some transactions, these are our own defunct operating accounts, and we're aware they're out there on the internet. We have a new way of managing account numbers via Column.com, so these older transactions are less of a concern for me.
I very much appreciate you bringing these to my attention! We're always looking to improve, so I'd love to hear if you find anything else.
I'm curious whether you were able to build the app using backend APIs that were already built, or whether building this app created new requirements for those APIs?
I actually did have to end up creating most of the backend APIs myself too or with the help of fellow engineers at HCB! What I like about HCB Mobile is that I'm not only creating a mobile app but also expanding our API infrastructure to allow for future integration with our platform.
HN isn't a judge of software; it's a place to learn and be curious. So people are often interested in projects that do a novel thing in a normal way, or a normal thing in a novel way. Eg, stories fascinate us because something was built by a very lean team, or a group with no money, or somebody who is an industry outsider, or a parapalegic, etc. Overcoming these limitations is a sort of 'hacking'.
There is a new trend in Silicon Valley of bragging about how young founders are, etc. along with the rather bizarre trend of bragging about dropping out of high school to "found a startup".
Totally agree. Even if I'm a teen myself I never post my age unless someone asks explicitly. Saying your age is just trying to find excuses to justify a sub-par software imo (Not saying this project is sub-par)
Many developers do this, and it's explicitly allowed under Apple's Developer Agreement (section 3.3.1).
Interpreted code may be downloaded to an Application but only so long as such code: (a) does not change the primary purpose of the Application by providing features or functionality that are inconsistent with the intended and advertised purpose of the Application (b) does not bypass signing, sandbox, or other security features of the OS; and (c) for Applications distributed on the App Store, does not create a store or storefront for other Applications.
The app store review guidelines (section 2.5.1) seem more narrow, but I think the above is what's enforced.
Weird, because Apple took down Fortnite for enabling a direct buy-button (bypassing IAP) after review completed. Just because an offending feature wasn't enabled at the time of review absolutely does not mean you're in the clear to turn it on after the review is complete. Whereas before you'd get the opportunity to fix anything like that during the review process, by sidestepping the review process you'd better be confident you don't ever ship anything that wouldn't pass.
It is clear that you put a lot of effort into this, but I do not believe that a 17 year old is capable to realize what he is sacrificing for this or what his responsibilities are.
I do actually believe that zero teenagers should make banking apps or run non-profits.
It's the lowest cost time to take risks like that, and it's a hell of a lot more constructive than fighting in a world war like 17 y.o men of the past.
Hardly. I was an M&A banker for a decade in New York and we used `M` for millions across the board. A few people would use `MM` but on every deck I signed off we used `M` for millions, `B` for billions
HCB is an amazing Rails 8 app. It is the Rails app that is processing $6M/month.
https://github.com/hackclub/hcb
Excellent work on the mobile app though I would wonder, since HCB runs on Hotwire, why it was not written as a Hotwire Native app which would leverage the existing Rails Hotwire app and not require a complete rewrite?
The OP built the React Native mobile app - not the entire platform / company. Some folks commenting like they built the company. Just a point of clarification.
Great work! Keep building OP!
The OP title seems a bit misleading notwithstanding this caveat.
I am surprised you managed to get those entitlements at all!
Did it help to be a non-profit?
That's awesome, and impressive you were able to build that. As an angel investor, my first question would be: how do you deal with financial fraud? Like users exploiting your app for money laundering via donations then spending... Any system that lets money get in and out is eventually used as a channel by launderers.
This is very helpful to the community. Great work.
What is this page of transactions for? https://hcb.hackclub.com/hq/transactions
I get that you want to be "open", but is everyone involved in these transactions ok with them being shared? Even if they are, this doesn't seem like a good idea security wise. I see partial account numbers and other IDs/numbers that I assume you'd prefer not be public, regardless of how insensitive they may seem now.
EXPENSIFY, INC. VALIDATION XXXXXX5987 THE HACK FOUNDATION +$0.89
FRONTING $10,000 TO CHRIS WALKER FOR GITHUB GRANTS MADE FROM PERSONAL ACCOUNT -$10,000.00
CHECK TO LACHLAN CAMPBELL +$800.00
Transfer to Emma's Earnings -$1,923.08
Hi @cirrus3,
You've found an optional feature called Transparency Mode!
I admit, this is A LOT of information being made accessible. We at Hack Club (the nonprofit organization behind HCB, and the owner of the transactions above) have chosen to make our finances publicly available on the internet. You can read more about it here: https://blog.hcb.hackclub.com/posts/transparent-finances-opt...
That link (https://hcb.hackclub.com/hq/transactions) shows our donations and spending down to the cent since we believe donors deserve to know what their contributions are funding. As a nonprofit, you can talk about what you’re spending money on, but transparency in every transaction builds trust for supporters. This level of transparency is definitely atypical, and I can see why it may raise concerns.
Other organizations using HCB (such as Reboot) can choose to enable this feature too (it's off by default), and they're briefed on the potential risks and level of exposure to decide whether it's right for their organization/team. HCB supports 6.5k nonprofits, and roughly 64% of organizations have chosen to enable this feature.
> I see partial account numbers and other IDs/numbers that I assume you'd prefer not be public, regardless of how insensitive they may seem now.
> EXPENSIFY, INC. VALIDATION XXXXXX5987 THE HACK FOUNDATION +$0.89
Good catch! Thanks for flagging that verification deposit. I've pushed a fix here: https://github.com/hackclub/hcb/pull/12336
As for the account numbers (e.g. XXXXXX5987) visible in some transactions, these are our own defunct operating accounts, and we're aware they're out there on the internet. We have a new way of managing account numbers via Column.com, so these older transactions are less of a concern for me.
I very much appreciate you bringing these to my attention! We're always looking to improve, so I'd love to hear if you find anything else.
Not just for hack club - but transactions for another organization that is using their software is public. https://hcb.hackclub.com/reboot/transactions?page=13
Not sure if all the organizations using their software know this.
They have this page for reporting: https://github.com/hackclub/hcb/blob/main/SECURITY.md
Please look at this @mohamad08
The numbers and amounts used for account validations and adding it to be able to pull or push money . Should not be shown public..
This is great!
I'm curious whether you were able to build the app using backend APIs that were already built, or whether building this app created new requirements for those APIs?
Hi! Thank you so much for your kinds work :)
I actually did have to end up creating most of the backend APIs myself too or with the help of fellow engineers at HCB! What I like about HCB Mobile is that I'm not only creating a mobile app but also expanding our API infrastructure to allow for future integration with our platform.
I really wish something like Hack Club existed while growing up, how empowering! great work.
Was just looking at this the other day for personal reasons. Great work!
Why does it matter how old is the author?
We should judge software by the quality, not by authors age.
It's an age-old convention, a way of supporting and encouraging kids, and harmless.
>It's an age-old convention....
Bonus points for the wordplay.
HN isn't a judge of software; it's a place to learn and be curious. So people are often interested in projects that do a novel thing in a normal way, or a normal thing in a novel way. Eg, stories fascinate us because something was built by a very lean team, or a group with no money, or somebody who is an industry outsider, or a parapalegic, etc. Overcoming these limitations is a sort of 'hacking'.
There is a new trend in Silicon Valley of bragging about how young founders are, etc. along with the rather bizarre trend of bragging about dropping out of high school to "found a startup".
Always has been.
It is a deliberate advertisement to VCs to find "the next Mark Zuckerberg" which the entire point is that there is only one.
For every 1,000+ startups there is exactly only *one* exceptional founder.
It's quite remarkable that such a loosely quantified pool of startups (1000+) yields precisely one exceptional founder.
Totally agree. Even if I'm a teen myself I never post my age unless someone asks explicitly. Saying your age is just trying to find excuses to justify a sub-par software imo (Not saying this project is sub-par)
Maybe they are rightfully proud that they did this at such a young age?
> I adopted the idea of “over the air updates” using Expo’s EAS update service.
Be careful with this. If Apple finds out for instance, your app will still be taken down.
Many developers do this, and it's explicitly allowed under Apple's Developer Agreement (section 3.3.1).
The app store review guidelines (section 2.5.1) seem more narrow, but I think the above is what's enforced.Weird, because Apple took down Fortnite for enabling a direct buy-button (bypassing IAP) after review completed. Just because an offending feature wasn't enabled at the time of review absolutely does not mean you're in the clear to turn it on after the review is complete. Whereas before you'd get the opportunity to fix anything like that during the review process, by sidestepping the review process you'd better be confident you don't ever ship anything that wouldn't pass.
It is clear that you put a lot of effort into this, but I do not believe that a 17 year old is capable to realize what he is sacrificing for this or what his responsibilities are.
I do actually believe that zero teenagers should make banking apps or run non-profits.
> I do actually believe that zero teenagers should make banking apps or run non-profits.
That sounds like a lot of fun and should be a pretty social experience.
Also I'm going to assume his parents are proud, which should put his family at ease.
The parent non-profit organization Hack Club isn't run by teenagers. https://hackclub.com/team/
oh my goodness, ofcourse they flag the op. holy reddit! so incredibly lame.
its the controvertial takes that bring readership...
There is a vouching system for comments that are flagged.
Click the date on the post, and if you have a button saying "vouch", click that.
It's the lowest cost time to take risks like that, and it's a hell of a lot more constructive than fighting in a world war like 17 y.o men of the past.
In accounting, finance, M stands for 'mille' aka 'thousand'. So the headline reads $6000/month.
Given how famed HN is for its pedantry I thought you may find this useful as sooner or later someone in your industry might make a judgement on it.
MM is million, BTW.
Hardly. I was an M&A banker for a decade in New York and we used `M` for millions across the board. A few people would use `MM` but on every deck I signed off we used `M` for millions, `B` for billions
I think being programmers we'd expect K and M. Save the mm for your financial report :)
Humanity has moved on from roman numerals 1000+ years ago. Talk about tech debt.
> In accounting
Only in America.