No, but I am curious why this one company gets some much hate. I can get being politically opposed to the conservative politics of some of its founders, but the vast majority of conservative-founded companies don't get nearly as much criticism. A lot of it is seriously borderline Q-anon levels of conspiratorial talk. Just look at the comment in this thread that Peter Thiel is going to assassinate people with orbital weapons.
In some regards I'd almost rather Palantir runs it, since the DoW would force them to implement very strict data isolation features which hospitals could then get for free. I wouldn't imagine Epic Healthcare Systems would be forced to isolate data so aggressively.
That said I also recognize the moral dilemma and understand why they'd pull out. Frankly I'm surprised they did much work with hospitals at all
Most Epic products aggressively isolate data. The majority of instances are run on-premises, and even those hosted on cloud platforms are single-tenant. They have a good record for data security and privacy; afaik all Epic data breaches were actually caused by infiltration of other customer systems.
They don't have in-house talent to implement what they want. The same reasons they used to hire Deloitte/EY/KPMG/PwC. Palantir is one rung up from those places when it comes to talent/ability to deliver.
Palantir is a glorified IT consulting company. You tell them "I want a system to manage patient records" and they will dispatch a team of engineers fresh out of college to build it for you while charging top dollar. They are able to get government & military contracts because of lobbying and influence, but generally everything you see about them online is marketing.
Hysteria? Have you listened to Karp? Palantir pushes some pretty shit-tier BI noise to clueless executives (it's actually uproarious the mythology that has built around that company), and this weird creep talks like they're the masters of the universe.
Thiel is another incredibly bizarre creep, and he sits as the chairman of the board. Both are very tightly associated with the Trump crime syndicate and the US government, which increasingly is the world's #1 threat, and should be treated as equally dangerous.
Why is Palantir a spyware company, but Snowflake or Databricks are not? "Spyware" has an actual definition, and there are real companies that sell it, like Pegasus. It's not some catch-all term for what people call "evil".
If they're not a spyware company then they really super duper picked the wrong name. Maybe they were just going for evil, in which case ... well I'm glad NYC hospitals have dropped them and I hope many, many more companies and organizations choose the same path.
NYC schools just passed some AI guidelines as well. No training on student PII data, no final grades, etc. Unfortunately that's a pinprick for the behemoth.
J.D. Vance and Peter Thiel's Palantir is reportedly getting the software contract for control of Golden Dome, an orbital weapon system built by Elon Musk.
A weapon system capable of targeting any person on Earth controlled by a mass surveillance company. Wonderful.
It seems like letting a company like Palantir anywhere near private medical data is a pretty bad idea. I am happy NYC is doing this.
Palantir builds software that customers use to work with their own data. Custody of the data remains with the customer.
This is like saying a hospital that uses Excel is handing over data to Microsoft.
while I understand the meaning here, modern Excel does handover data to Microsoft (via Copilot)...
And 365 (I'm sure there is an on-premises version, but when not).
Users choose whether to use Copilot, and are free to decline it's use.
I heard that they lock data by using proprietary formats. MSFT does not do that.
They literally did. XLS was proprietary until Microsoft completely cornered the spreadsheet software market.
Locking users behind proprietary data formats is _literally_ the sole point of Microsoft Office.
They very much do not, you can import/export in pretty much any format you want and they've got a well documented sdk.
https://www.palantir.com/docs/foundry/ontology-sdk/python-os...
Microsoft can't guarantee data sovereignty – OVHcloud says 'We told you so' (theregister.com)
76 points by fauigerzigerk 6 months ago | 7 comments
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45061153
Do you work for palantir?
No, but I am curious why this one company gets some much hate. I can get being politically opposed to the conservative politics of some of its founders, but the vast majority of conservative-founded companies don't get nearly as much criticism. A lot of it is seriously borderline Q-anon levels of conspiratorial talk. Just look at the comment in this thread that Peter Thiel is going to assassinate people with orbital weapons.
In some regards I'd almost rather Palantir runs it, since the DoW would force them to implement very strict data isolation features which hospitals could then get for free. I wouldn't imagine Epic Healthcare Systems would be forced to isolate data so aggressively.
That said I also recognize the moral dilemma and understand why they'd pull out. Frankly I'm surprised they did much work with hospitals at all
Most Epic products aggressively isolate data. The majority of instances are run on-premises, and even those hosted on cloud platforms are single-tenant. They have a good record for data security and privacy; afaik all Epic data breaches were actually caused by infiltration of other customer systems.
Why are so many entities dealing with Palantir? They are a poison pill for customers.
They don't have in-house talent to implement what they want. The same reasons they used to hire Deloitte/EY/KPMG/PwC. Palantir is one rung up from those places when it comes to talent/ability to deliver.
+1. Think of it like a consulting shop that can deliver customized software instead of just slide decks and excel workbooks.
Palantir is a glorified IT consulting company. You tell them "I want a system to manage patient records" and they will dispatch a team of engineers fresh out of college to build it for you while charging top dollar. They are able to get government & military contracts because of lobbying and influence, but generally everything you see about them online is marketing.
Cambridge Analytica was a political consulting company...
Which customers? Outside of the HN bubble, very few consumers know or care which entities are using Palantir.
Their main product is just consulting and PowerBI but for government. So much hysteria online!
Their CEO is a crazy person who seemingly wants to tear down democracy
Wants to tear down democracy = "doesn't support my chosen political party"
Thiel is pro-dictatorship as near as one can tell. Karp probably isn’t sane enough to evaluate
Hysteria? Have you listened to Karp? Palantir pushes some pretty shit-tier BI noise to clueless executives (it's actually uproarious the mythology that has built around that company), and this weird creep talks like they're the masters of the universe.
Thiel is another incredibly bizarre creep, and he sits as the chairman of the board. Both are very tightly associated with the Trump crime syndicate and the US government, which increasingly is the world's #1 threat, and should be treated as equally dangerous.
Palantir is an AI firm now? Thought it was a data collection/spyware firm.
If they're not a spyware company then they really super duper picked the wrong name. Maybe they were just going for evil, in which case ... well I'm glad NYC hospitals have dropped them and I hope many, many more companies and organizations choose the same path.
NYC schools just passed some AI guidelines as well. No training on student PII data, no final grades, etc. Unfortunately that's a pinprick for the behemoth.
J.D. Vance and Peter Thiel's Palantir is reportedly getting the software contract for control of Golden Dome, an orbital weapon system built by Elon Musk.
A weapon system capable of targeting any person on Earth controlled by a mass surveillance company. Wonderful.
I'd be concerned if any of the parties involved were halfway competent. This is a grift for taxpayer dollars, nothing more.
"controversial"
Everyone knows what's going on, but also everyone is too afraid to stand up for some reason.
What is going on?