Let them buy all the defensive weapons they can afford, Iron Dome, etc.
I think US gives them the weapons otherwise, they don't even buy them? No more.
It is insanity to let them just kill whomever they want whenever they want as many as they want
Israel has a right to exist but not kill thousands of innocent people
They also have universal healthcare while US never will because we've spent $21 Trillion since 9/11 on militarization, adding another trillion this year and now have to replace all the tomahawks etc
They're import-reliant. They don't make steel, don't make aluminum, don't have a large chemicals industry, etc. They're very vulnerable to sanctions and trade restrictions.
It frames themselves as under attack, which thereby gives themselves moral justification to attack, and when those attacked attack back they fulfill their justification, and the circle of violence and death perpetuates.
Countries don't have any "right to exist", this very term is thought terminating propaganda created by Israel. Israel does not have a right to exist, countries either are, or aren't. People have a right to live.
And as it stands, Israel is a terrorist nation commiting war crimes and a genocide daily.
"Defensive" weapons also do not exist. If you give Israel weapons, or sell them weapons, you are complicit in their actions.
> Countries don't have any "right to exist", this very term is thought terminating propaganda created by Israel. Israel does not have a right to exist, countries either are, or aren't. People have a right to live.
Are you saying Israelis should die?
That is literally what you're saying. When Israel says it has the right to exist it says it has the right not to be under missile attacks. You're saying that it's OK to kill Israelis and Israel shouldn't retaliate in kind?
The amount of misinformation in this thread is absolutely mind boggling.
Lebanon was formed by colonialist French who wanted to build Paris of the middle east and ignored the fact that it housed multiple different ethnic groups that spent the time killing each other. Then Palestinians who failed to topple the Jordan monarchy came in and formed a militia that started attacking Israel. The Suni joined in and it became a national sport to fire rockets at northern Israeli civilians for decades.
That was 50 years ago and the only thing that changed is the people firing the rockets. Israel tried everything. Negotiating. Invading. Bombing. Building their own militia in Lebanon, Negotiating again. Now, it's again out of ideas and also out of civility.
The problem is that Lebanon isn't doing anything. Their government and Army don't control the militias working in their land. Iran is funding these militias remotely and effectively lending people money to build their houses with specialty rooms to house rockets (seriously). I mean these people were so blatant that they literally built Hezbolla tunnels under UN bases...
They are popular in Lebanon since they literally give people money. Press in Lebanon present them as "resistance" to Israel even though they are literally the ones keeping the war going for Iran.
What should a country do after 5 decades of rockets fired at their civilian population?
Enough is enough. Israel has no such problems with "normal" countries like Egypt or Jordan. The problem is Lebanon and to a lesser extent Syria which is hard to trust at this stage. The Syrian problem was also related, Assad was an Iranian collaborator but had a bit more control. When Israel attacked Hezbolla it effectively broke Assad and allowed a transition of power there. Unfortunately, Syria has the same colonialist problems Lebanon has. They aren't a stable country and that's a risk.
The president of Lebanon is calling for talks with Israel now. I hope that will happen but I doubt he can do anything. He wasn't able to do anything before Israel went apeshit and I doubt he'll be able to do anything now. He doesn't run the country, Iran is running the country. Israel tried to target the real landlords but failed there.
There used to be a weekly column in the Independent by Robert Fisk, and it frequently discussed life in Lebanon. It sounded amazing, though often rather too war torn.
The Independent seems to have gone to garbage for n recent years, sadly.
The West at large continuing to be complicit in Israel's aggression and genocide is a source of great shame to me. Unlike many other atrocities of the past 75 years, this could not have been done without our help.
Daily reminder that "championing human rights in the middle east" is the easiest thing in the world if you get to determine who is considered "human" and who is considered "cattle".
No more offensive weapons
Let them buy all the defensive weapons they can afford, Iron Dome, etc.
I think US gives them the weapons otherwise, they don't even buy them? No more.
It is insanity to let them just kill whomever they want whenever they want as many as they want
Israel has a right to exist but not kill thousands of innocent people
They also have universal healthcare while US never will because we've spent $21 Trillion since 9/11 on militarization, adding another trillion this year and now have to replace all the tomahawks etc
> right to exist
https://youtu.be/JEoIUoH6kZY
They will just start making their own offensive weapons.
They're import-reliant. They don't make steel, don't make aluminum, don't have a large chemicals industry, etc. They're very vulnerable to sanctions and trade restrictions.
Start? They have a large military sector already with IAI, Elbit etc.
No, just give them nothing. "Right to exist" is a bullshit propaganda term. Doesn't mean anything.
If it were me, we'd go a step further and apply sanctions, just as e.g. Russia and Myanmar are sanctioned.
It frames themselves as under attack, which thereby gives themselves moral justification to attack, and when those attacked attack back they fulfill their justification, and the circle of violence and death perpetuates.
>Israel has a right to exist
Countries don't have any "right to exist", this very term is thought terminating propaganda created by Israel. Israel does not have a right to exist, countries either are, or aren't. People have a right to live.
And as it stands, Israel is a terrorist nation commiting war crimes and a genocide daily.
"Defensive" weapons also do not exist. If you give Israel weapons, or sell them weapons, you are complicit in their actions.
> thought-terminating propaganda
Exactly. I always struggled with this (which is the desired effect) until I heard Francesca Albanese give this exact answer.
There is no right to exist for a country under international law, but there is a right to live for people.
> Countries don't have any "right to exist", this very term is thought terminating propaganda created by Israel. Israel does not have a right to exist, countries either are, or aren't. People have a right to live.
Are you saying Israelis should die?
That is literally what you're saying. When Israel says it has the right to exist it says it has the right not to be under missile attacks. You're saying that it's OK to kill Israelis and Israel shouldn't retaliate in kind?
The amount of misinformation in this thread is absolutely mind boggling.
Lebanon was formed by colonialist French who wanted to build Paris of the middle east and ignored the fact that it housed multiple different ethnic groups that spent the time killing each other. Then Palestinians who failed to topple the Jordan monarchy came in and formed a militia that started attacking Israel. The Suni joined in and it became a national sport to fire rockets at northern Israeli civilians for decades.
That was 50 years ago and the only thing that changed is the people firing the rockets. Israel tried everything. Negotiating. Invading. Bombing. Building their own militia in Lebanon, Negotiating again. Now, it's again out of ideas and also out of civility.
The problem is that Lebanon isn't doing anything. Their government and Army don't control the militias working in their land. Iran is funding these militias remotely and effectively lending people money to build their houses with specialty rooms to house rockets (seriously). I mean these people were so blatant that they literally built Hezbolla tunnels under UN bases...
They are popular in Lebanon since they literally give people money. Press in Lebanon present them as "resistance" to Israel even though they are literally the ones keeping the war going for Iran.
What should a country do after 5 decades of rockets fired at their civilian population?
Enough is enough. Israel has no such problems with "normal" countries like Egypt or Jordan. The problem is Lebanon and to a lesser extent Syria which is hard to trust at this stage. The Syrian problem was also related, Assad was an Iranian collaborator but had a bit more control. When Israel attacked Hezbolla it effectively broke Assad and allowed a transition of power there. Unfortunately, Syria has the same colonialist problems Lebanon has. They aren't a stable country and that's a risk.
The president of Lebanon is calling for talks with Israel now. I hope that will happen but I doubt he can do anything. He wasn't able to do anything before Israel went apeshit and I doubt he'll be able to do anything now. He doesn't run the country, Iran is running the country. Israel tried to target the real landlords but failed there.
One of the most diverse countries in the world and still very little attention. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Lebanon
There used to be a weekly column in the Independent by Robert Fisk, and it frequently discussed life in Lebanon. It sounded amazing, though often rather too war torn.
The Independent seems to have gone to garbage for n recent years, sadly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fisk
One religion seems to be missing from this list of “diversity”. Hmmmm…
Keep going, this should be interesting.
Took so long to get flagged? I'm surprised...
If the US–Iran front of the war is relevant for hn I don't see why the Israel–Lebanon one wouldn't.
Stop Israel's aggression and genocide.
Not letting Israel kill thousands because ... just because is antisemitic!
The West at large continuing to be complicit in Israel's aggression and genocide is a source of great shame to me. Unlike many other atrocities of the past 75 years, this could not have been done without our help.
Daily reminder that "championing human rights in the middle east" is the easiest thing in the world if you get to determine who is considered "human" and who is considered "cattle".
"We have democracy for some of our citizens" is not the flex they think it is.
Not sure what country you are referring to, Iran? USA? Israel? Libanon?