As part of my work in technical diligence, I create medium-long form content marketing material on topics germane to PE investment in tech. In the last six months I did a series (not yet published) on the state of security in the age of gen-AI. Basically, we are entering the ransomware apocalypse. It is insane what a godsend gen-AI has been to the cybercrime sector.
Things that used to work reliably - like trusting google ads or sponsored links not to be malvertizing sites - are meaningless now that gangs can trivially spin up networks of thousands of fake interacting sites and linked profiles to sneak by fraud detection. Phishing attacks are ridiculously sophisticated. Supply chain attacks are going to mean package managers are handgrenades. Ransomware gangs are running full on SaSS services allowing script kiddies access to big gun material. Attacks that were previously only in reach of nation-state-sponsored actors are now available for peanuts. And all of this is going to worse because of everyone and their dog using gen-AI to pump out huge amounts of vulnerable code. And then there is the world of prompt engineering for data exfiltration...
If you are young and wanting a promising trade in tech, security would absolutely be a good choice. Shit is going to get CRAZY.
> on April 7, 2026 … U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent and Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell convened an urgent, in-person meeting in Washington with the chief executives of [major US banks] to brief them directly on the cyber risks posed by [Anthropic’s] Mythos
Then a similar meeting happened with the Canadian Financial Sector Resiliency Group (i.e. the Bank of Canada, the Canadian government’s Department of Finance, the Canadian Deposit Insurance Corporation (Canada’s FDIC) and Canada’s six major banks).
Multiple central banks don’t usually do that right?
1. Fear that a major vulnerability is found in a commonly used software package that puts multiple major banks and e-commerce sites at risk
2. Fear that major vulnerabilities are found in multiple, widely used software packages that lead to market downturn as IT company stocks crash.
Probably others as well. Sounds more like a brief on worst-case scenarios that may happen and how they would effect the US banking sector. This is an important mid-year election this year too, so any big economic shock would be bad for the GOP.
> In August 2025, three of the most notorious financially-motivated crews on the planet, ShinyHunters, Scattered Spider, and LAPSUS$, formally combined into a coordinated alliance widely tracked as Scattered LAPSUS$ Hunters (SLH), sometimes called “the Trinity of Chaos” (Resecurity; Cyberbit; Infosecurity Magazine; The Hacker News; Computer Weekly; ReliaQuest). Scattered Spider provides initial access through highly-effective social engineering and vishing. ShinyHunters handles exfiltration, leak-site management, and extortion. LAPSUS$ contributes its own brand of identity-system compromise.
Lmao that cybercriminals are closing M&A deals to create vertically integrated SaaS companies.
Do you think anyone was made redundant through kinetic means?
As someone who's older, and is just generally gobsmacked all the time by the sloppiness in cybersecurity, all of this is just not surprising.
Look, love or hate it, here's what happened; a LONG time ago (in tech terms) Microsoft and others normalized some very stupid practices; when I teach about it I basically illustrate it like this: "If I handed you a piece of paper that said 'Go jump off a bridge'" will you survive this encounter with me? Because a very large, perhaps majority, of computer infrastructure will not.
We managed to put buttons on appliances that don't make the appliance explode, but failed to do that in email links, which are just buttons.
And then, we still have yet to punish or hold accountable any large party who made things this way. Until we do that, keep expecting this.
>As someone who's older, and is just generally gobsmacked all the time by the sloppiness in cybersecurity, all of this is just not surprising.
as someone who used to work in cybersec (and is also older), most of the time (in my experiences) it isnt sloppiness.
1) people fight tooth and nail against anything that inconveniences them. security is almost always going to be an inconvenience tradeoff, so it is always fought against. from every person and every department. rolling out 2fa was worse than pulling teeth, despite it being a single button press ("approve") on the phone, once or twice a day (or less). c-suite is the worst, demanding exclusions and bypasses. its hard to say no to your bosses boss when they refuse to use a password manager, refuse to setup 2fa, or whatever the case is.
2) security offers no immediate or visible return on investment. so, it gets little to no positive attention by c-suite and even less budget. you end up with underpaid, under-qualified, over-worked people trying to figure out which thing they might be able secure out of the 10 things that need securing. half of them will be tied up trying to explain to someone why they cant use the company name as their password or begging someone to use the password manager.
even here, a forum of hackers, security is often put in scare quotes and almost always mentioned beside the word "theater". people brag about still running windows 7, because it was the last good windows. antiviruses arent needed. X security feature is just a lie so that company Z can control my device. people get big mad when a company rolls out mandatory 2fa. and so on.
edit: case in point, on this thread a comment was just posted with "I think you can argue that cybersecurity doesn't really matter, in the grand scheme of things."
> And then, we still have yet to punish or hold accountable any large party who made things this way. Until we do that, keep expecting this.
This is the key. No incentive to change. It's always "the hacker's fault" and never "the manufacturer's negligence" or "the developer's carelessness" or "the user's gullibility." Combine this with the currently-prevailing Don't Blame The Victim mentality, and it's the perfect environment for never improving cybersecurity.
But yet, the pigs who built the houses of straw and sticks got eaten. The pig who built the house of bricks is seen as responsible, even though it took longer and cost more; he made the right choice.
The wolf is seen as ever-present. Failure to consider the wolf when choosing building materials has consequences.
It blows my mind that this story has been part of our culture for centuries, yet we apply exactly the opposite model to cybersecurity.
>Stacked on top of each other across roughly a hundred days, these events are something a historian of computing security writing in 2050 will probably file as a turning point, regardless of what else happens between now and then.
And yet, the public conversation around them has been quiet to the point of being strange.
There's a lot current events that once would have been considered historical: trip around the Moon, war out of nowhere, unprecedented explosion of kleptocracy l, enormously scandals and so long. Noone of these are moving much of the needle among general public.
Why? I think such indifference or rather apathy/torpor is a result of people becoming tired of constant stream of crises (either imaginary or real) that we're being flooded by. The capacity to react with something more than a shrug is finite. And I think we are being drained.
The idiocy out of the Whitehouse is an intentional strategy to flood the zone with crap that sucks all the air out of the room. They have intentionally broken the ability of the public to become informed through a number of means: attention atrophy, lowest-common-denominator mudslinging, and massive, manufactured, stupid global crises. People have become deaf and desensitized.
The fact that humanity sent people back to the moon barely even registered. Crazy times.
> The fact that humanity sent people back to the moon barely even registered.
Are you sure that people would have cared much even in better times?
Although I'm just as subject to the fatigue as everyone else, this just isn't a pursuit that I see as important.
TBH I think dealing with global warming, cancer, homelessness, AI impact on human cognitive development, and the loneliness epidemic are far higher priorities.
If I recall correctly opinion polling on the original Apollo program wasn't universally positive either. Space missions don't impress people who want money spent on the ground, it etc
I think nobody cares about the moon thing because 1) they aren't landing, and (this one's more for people who are paying some attention to this stuff to begin with) 2) it's basically the same mission they already ran on auto-pilot, but with people on board, so... I dunno, hard to get excited about some very-expensive passengers on an automated ride.
I mean, part of why they cut the Apollo program short was because nobody cared back then either, after the first ~2 landings, so they muddled on a while longer but support simply vanished in a hurry. It'd be surprising if people started caring more now. I suppose if we land people on the moon it'll be a bit more of an event than this one (the landing, not the launch) but I'd expect interest to plummet again after that. Hopefully they have better-selected video feeds for the landing than they did for this launch, I had my kids watch it and it was bad enough I think I'll have trouble getting them to sit down for another NASA launch stream.
The precipitous drop in fertility even in low income countries. The rise in populism and fear.
It's the phones, humans are being DDoSd. We need government intervention against many aspects of modern technology.
The profit motive works when it comes to reducing manufacturing costs and passing some of that on to consumers through the beauty of competition. It doesn't work so great when it's X training a transformer model to maximize the amount of time you spend doom scrolling so they can feed you gambling advertisements.
Considering how attached to his phone my hyper religious evangelical father-in-law is ... I don't buy it. If there is a causal relationship between those things, it goes the other way.
Agreed, call it future shock or the Singularity or just overall outrage fatigue, people just aren't reacting to these kinds of things at a level commensurate with their risk or danger.
> Why? I think such indifference or rather apathy/torpor is a result of people becoming tired of constant stream of crises (either imaginary or real) that we're being flooded by. The capacity to react with something more than a shrug is finite. And I think we are being drained.
I think it's more that the impact of all these constant string of "crises" ends up having very little impact on the average American's lifestyle. Groceries a bit more expensive, gas higher, rent continues to creep up. Some giant incomprehensible national debt number gets higher. Those all suck and people complain about them - but they are complaining about them in packed bars while they drink $7 beers and eat $30 burgers and fries.
You can only yell so many times that the world is ending before people tune it out since their day to day lives are largely unchanged. Just look at the focus on complaining about almost irrelevant things like the price of eggs or whatever totally irrelevant culture war topic of the day. It's societal bike shedding.
I am firmly of the belief (and have been for quite some time) that the "average" middle class American is going to need severe pain - as in widespread great depression level pain - before anything really changes at all at the ground level. Americans have simply become so used to living the lifestyle being part of an insulated hegemonic superpower empire that they have taken that for granted as how things generally will always be no matter what happens. There is zero consideration for the amount of sheer effort, will, and constant vigilance it took to build and maintain such a state of being.
If cybersecurity is slowly ramping up in complexity, isn’t the statement “we’re living through the most consequential hundred days in history” always trivially true?
>And yet, the public conversation around them has been quiet to the point of being strange.
i dont think its that strange. there are multiple wars raging on, with many people fearing the breakout of a global conflict. a giant pedophile ring has been exposed that no one in power seems interested in doing anything about. prices for everything are haywire. markets are an absolute rollercoaster, hinging completely on one mans late night tweets. and so on.
people just dont have the bandwidth to also learn about what an npm or github is, and why a hack of it is important. news stations are going to pick the news that results in the most people tuning in to watch. that is war, not whatever a mercor is.
the non-tech (and many of the tech) people in my life are also just plain tired of hearing about hacks. they have heard that their information has been stolen 10 times or whatever in the last 5 years. they have heard 100s of "this company was hacked" stories. "another hack? who cares?".
The issue is also one of agency: the public has absolutely no agency in this. There is nothing an ordinary member of the public can do to avoid having their data exposed, there is nothing they can do to cause corporations to have more robust security models nor to cause actual consequences for all the executives that chose profit over security at every possible decision point.
To the public this becomes like the risk of being hit by lightning or being in a car accident, just background noise we avoid thinking about as much as possible. It is just the cost of living in this economy.
As fatiguing as legal breach notices are to lay people, it's equally frustrating as a dev because security is not a distinguishing feature we can advertise in our product so we can't prioritize it at all. Let the lawyers figure it out later seems to be best practice now.
And of course vuln finding is now automated so even if we do a good job locking it down this morning, nothing will not keep out the next wave tonight.
Plus, our current political atmosphere encourages digital chaos, for example gutting CISA.
> a giant pedophile ring has been exposed that no one in power seems interested in doing anything about
But that's not true. The European Union and many other countries are taking extreme measures to ensure that what happened in the United States never happens with them and they are introducing a bunch of different measures to strengthen control over society, the media sphere, and other measures to ensure that no pedophile rings could be exposed.
"A 2024 report on child sex exploitation in Rochdale from 2004 to 2013 found that there was "compelling evidence" of widespread abuse, and that Greater Manchester Police and Rochdale Council had failed to properly investigate these cases, leaving girls "at the mercy of their abusers". While there were successful prosecutions, the report said that the investigations carried out during the period covered by the report only "scraped the surface" of what had happened, and that many abusers had gone unpunished."
HN is a bit of a bubble in that people here tend to be quite privacy focused and would be horrified at the prospect of their details being leaked.
For a lot of normal people that's not the case and as long as they don't get someone actually stealing their identity etc. they aren't really concerned about these kind of things
> a giant pedophile ring has been exposed that no one in power seems interested in doing anything about
This was one of the things Trump got 2024 elected on - many Republican voters were extremely keen on this being addressed. I'm glad Trump's fumbled it now so the Democrats are interested in addressing it, though for the wrong reasons.
Frustratingly, I have my foot in both worlds to a degree. I'm interested enough in tech to pay attention and often lurk the tech bubble that is HN and hear about the raging dumpster fires from the folks who live and work in that domain. But I exist in a mostly non-tech world IRL where this exists among the other burning dumpster fires to the point that I can't care about another data hack, and i hate that I don't have the bandwidth to care. To a more acute degree, my mother was nearly wiped of half her life savings by "hackers"/fraudsters posing as employees of her bank. Being "hacked" is a part of life now, and outrage fatigue is real.
It sounds like they were/are using GitHub to host company-private source code, presumably of high-value.
While it's hard to know exactly the setup (e.g. maybe they are running their own instance of GitHub internally), this is your reminder that public clouds are not secure, no matter how much you pay the maintainers of said clouds.
Internal network compromise is of course always possible, but sheesh, it sounds like this list has lots of public cloud failures.
I have this mental model that the natural state of the web is to act like an organism that is continuously assaulted by viruses - sometimes that is SEO spam, sometimes actual viruses, sometimes a game-changing shift like AI vulnerability scanning. The pattern is the organism gets assaulted, digests the virus and comes back a bit tougher with more layers of complexity and defensiveness.
I think right now we are waiting for the Morris worm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_worm) equivalent shock to the system, but it is likely to be much, much worse and much more specific. I expect something that will make DOGE stealing SSNs look kind of tame. Something like every private GitHub exposed, every Visa card data and history exposed, every Mac injected with a rootkit, etc. It's like waiting for the plot from Sneakers to manifest.
For all the security we have built over the last 50 years, it has been impossible (or nearly so) to lock down any web-accessible content. It is a structural issue at a certain level of complexity, the surface area is just far too wide for any focused effort. Aside from direct 0 day vulnerabilities in software there are vulnerabilities in core libraries, frameworks, CI/CD, cloud services, hardware bugs, gaps between services, permission vectors, etc.
The U.S. has relied on the legal system to allow our insane credit card system to persist, where security by obscurity (knowing someone's CC#) is the main deterrent to abuse. I need a complex password to access any website, but CC#s are flying free. I think the combination of easy worldwide vulnerability scanning and U.S.'s focus on pissing every country off is going to lead to significant and unending asymmetrical warfare. If our gov't has been co-opted by big business, big business is going to become the target. As we have seen with Iran with Hormuz and Ukraine with drone strikes, it isn't so hard for small countries to fuck up global systems.
We are entering a 90s-style phase where any script kiddie can cause massive disruptions. Trump likes to threaten NUCLEAR but security issues could potentially cause even more death and destruction - overwhelm the energy grid, open dams, crash air traffic control communications, etc. There is lots of concern over the oligarchy owning AI and keeping it for themselves, but the more immediate risk is that any country can potentially lash out with disruptive actions.
There has been a retreat from globalization since COVID. I wouldn't be surprised if that extends to global internet communications as well. Internet traffic between countries might soon be severely restricted, that's the last line of defense we actually have if this goes as badly as Anthropic is implying.
If I can play devils advocate in favor of public disinterest about these events, I think you can argue that cybersecurity doesn't really matter, in the grand scheme of things. At least data exfiltration.
What would the consequences for humanity be if every single electronic patient record was leaked onto the internet? After a good deal of embarrassment and drama, probably positive. It would most likely facilitate a lot of scientific inquiry. A lot of people, especially in medical deserts, also use Chatgpt as an md. Providing AI companies with high quality medical data is actually a public service.
So it goes for most things in life, except for financial and destructive wipe attacks, data security is mostly about protecting the IP of incumbents, which is somewhere between irrelevant and a net negative. It's hard to say what the long term consequences of the IP system breaking down would be, but there is a good argument to be made that it's not necessarily bad.
As for individual people, most don't really care or are resigned to the fact that Google already knows everything about them, and probably abstractly enjoy the fact that a major company gets brought down to their reality. Plenty of societies have extremely collectivistic mindsets of public info being shared, like Scandinavian countries having public tax filings, and they work just fine.
I think most people would secretly relish the outcomes of everything leaking everywhere. Just like people relish the Epstein files being released, and probably would have loved an unredacted version being leaked. Secrets are something human beings naturally gravitate towards to dig up and sharing, and this is actually for good, sensible reasons. Evolution has simply favored groups that did not hoard knowledge, at least not internally. There is a reason the scientific method has openness as a virtue, and is arguably one of the pillars that has carried humanity out of the dark ages.
It would be terrible, I don’t think you’re thinking about what kinds of discrimination can happen due to things like medical records. You can have laws in place to prevent it but if someone can freely see your entire medical history then people WILL take advantage of that. Not to mention how things like citizens traveling to states where abortion is legal, or if a parent disagrees with an operation could affect someone if things are public. This is only talking about medical records, too, the implications of other kinds of espionage have significant repercussions as well. Cybersecurity absolutely does matter
As part of my work in technical diligence, I create medium-long form content marketing material on topics germane to PE investment in tech. In the last six months I did a series (not yet published) on the state of security in the age of gen-AI. Basically, we are entering the ransomware apocalypse. It is insane what a godsend gen-AI has been to the cybercrime sector.
Things that used to work reliably - like trusting google ads or sponsored links not to be malvertizing sites - are meaningless now that gangs can trivially spin up networks of thousands of fake interacting sites and linked profiles to sneak by fraud detection. Phishing attacks are ridiculously sophisticated. Supply chain attacks are going to mean package managers are handgrenades. Ransomware gangs are running full on SaSS services allowing script kiddies access to big gun material. Attacks that were previously only in reach of nation-state-sponsored actors are now available for peanuts. And all of this is going to worse because of everyone and their dog using gen-AI to pump out huge amounts of vulnerable code. And then there is the world of prompt engineering for data exfiltration...
If you are young and wanting a promising trade in tech, security would absolutely be a good choice. Shit is going to get CRAZY.
The strangest thing I found is:
> on April 7, 2026 … U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent and Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell convened an urgent, in-person meeting in Washington with the chief executives of [major US banks] to brief them directly on the cyber risks posed by [Anthropic’s] Mythos
Then a similar meeting happened with the Canadian Financial Sector Resiliency Group (i.e. the Bank of Canada, the Canadian government’s Department of Finance, the Canadian Deposit Insurance Corporation (Canada’s FDIC) and Canada’s six major banks).
Multiple central banks don’t usually do that right?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/article/anthropics-new-ai-mo...
Two possibilities:
1. Fear that a major vulnerability is found in a commonly used software package that puts multiple major banks and e-commerce sites at risk
2. Fear that major vulnerabilities are found in multiple, widely used software packages that lead to market downturn as IT company stocks crash.
Probably others as well. Sounds more like a brief on worst-case scenarios that may happen and how they would effect the US banking sector. This is an important mid-year election this year too, so any big economic shock would be bad for the GOP.
Anthropic's marketing team are terrifyingly good. I wonder if Opus came up with this plan?
Not too long ago, a few gigabytes of data being stolen was a big friggin deal. Now they're swiping data in the terabytes or even petabytes.
> In August 2025, three of the most notorious financially-motivated crews on the planet, ShinyHunters, Scattered Spider, and LAPSUS$, formally combined into a coordinated alliance widely tracked as Scattered LAPSUS$ Hunters (SLH), sometimes called “the Trinity of Chaos” (Resecurity; Cyberbit; Infosecurity Magazine; The Hacker News; Computer Weekly; ReliaQuest). Scattered Spider provides initial access through highly-effective social engineering and vishing. ShinyHunters handles exfiltration, leak-site management, and extortion. LAPSUS$ contributes its own brand of identity-system compromise.
Lmao that cybercriminals are closing M&A deals to create vertically integrated SaaS companies.
Do you think anyone was made redundant through kinetic means?
As someone who's older, and is just generally gobsmacked all the time by the sloppiness in cybersecurity, all of this is just not surprising.
Look, love or hate it, here's what happened; a LONG time ago (in tech terms) Microsoft and others normalized some very stupid practices; when I teach about it I basically illustrate it like this: "If I handed you a piece of paper that said 'Go jump off a bridge'" will you survive this encounter with me? Because a very large, perhaps majority, of computer infrastructure will not.
We managed to put buttons on appliances that don't make the appliance explode, but failed to do that in email links, which are just buttons.
And then, we still have yet to punish or hold accountable any large party who made things this way. Until we do that, keep expecting this.
>As someone who's older, and is just generally gobsmacked all the time by the sloppiness in cybersecurity, all of this is just not surprising.
as someone who used to work in cybersec (and is also older), most of the time (in my experiences) it isnt sloppiness.
1) people fight tooth and nail against anything that inconveniences them. security is almost always going to be an inconvenience tradeoff, so it is always fought against. from every person and every department. rolling out 2fa was worse than pulling teeth, despite it being a single button press ("approve") on the phone, once or twice a day (or less). c-suite is the worst, demanding exclusions and bypasses. its hard to say no to your bosses boss when they refuse to use a password manager, refuse to setup 2fa, or whatever the case is.
2) security offers no immediate or visible return on investment. so, it gets little to no positive attention by c-suite and even less budget. you end up with underpaid, under-qualified, over-worked people trying to figure out which thing they might be able secure out of the 10 things that need securing. half of them will be tied up trying to explain to someone why they cant use the company name as their password or begging someone to use the password manager.
even here, a forum of hackers, security is often put in scare quotes and almost always mentioned beside the word "theater". people brag about still running windows 7, because it was the last good windows. antiviruses arent needed. X security feature is just a lie so that company Z can control my device. people get big mad when a company rolls out mandatory 2fa. and so on.
edit: case in point, on this thread a comment was just posted with "I think you can argue that cybersecurity doesn't really matter, in the grand scheme of things."
> And then, we still have yet to punish or hold accountable any large party who made things this way. Until we do that, keep expecting this.
This is the key. No incentive to change. It's always "the hacker's fault" and never "the manufacturer's negligence" or "the developer's carelessness" or "the user's gullibility." Combine this with the currently-prevailing Don't Blame The Victim mentality, and it's the perfect environment for never improving cybersecurity.
But yet, the pigs who built the houses of straw and sticks got eaten. The pig who built the house of bricks is seen as responsible, even though it took longer and cost more; he made the right choice.
The wolf is seen as ever-present. Failure to consider the wolf when choosing building materials has consequences.
It blows my mind that this story has been part of our culture for centuries, yet we apply exactly the opposite model to cybersecurity.
>Stacked on top of each other across roughly a hundred days, these events are something a historian of computing security writing in 2050 will probably file as a turning point, regardless of what else happens between now and then.
And yet, the public conversation around them has been quiet to the point of being strange.
There's a lot current events that once would have been considered historical: trip around the Moon, war out of nowhere, unprecedented explosion of kleptocracy l, enormously scandals and so long. Noone of these are moving much of the needle among general public.
Why? I think such indifference or rather apathy/torpor is a result of people becoming tired of constant stream of crises (either imaginary or real) that we're being flooded by. The capacity to react with something more than a shrug is finite. And I think we are being drained.
The idiocy out of the Whitehouse is an intentional strategy to flood the zone with crap that sucks all the air out of the room. They have intentionally broken the ability of the public to become informed through a number of means: attention atrophy, lowest-common-denominator mudslinging, and massive, manufactured, stupid global crises. People have become deaf and desensitized.
The fact that humanity sent people back to the moon barely even registered. Crazy times.
> The fact that humanity sent people back to the moon barely even registered.
Are you sure that people would have cared much even in better times?
Although I'm just as subject to the fatigue as everyone else, this just isn't a pursuit that I see as important.
TBH I think dealing with global warming, cancer, homelessness, AI impact on human cognitive development, and the loneliness epidemic are far higher priorities.
If I recall correctly opinion polling on the original Apollo program wasn't universally positive either. Space missions don't impress people who want money spent on the ground, it etc
I think nobody cares about the moon thing because 1) they aren't landing, and (this one's more for people who are paying some attention to this stuff to begin with) 2) it's basically the same mission they already ran on auto-pilot, but with people on board, so... I dunno, hard to get excited about some very-expensive passengers on an automated ride.
I mean, part of why they cut the Apollo program short was because nobody cared back then either, after the first ~2 landings, so they muddled on a while longer but support simply vanished in a hurry. It'd be surprising if people started caring more now. I suppose if we land people on the moon it'll be a bit more of an event than this one (the landing, not the launch) but I'd expect interest to plummet again after that. Hopefully they have better-selected video feeds for the landing than they did for this launch, I had my kids watch it and it was bad enough I think I'll have trouble getting them to sit down for another NASA launch stream.
"Amusing ourselves to death" was eerily prescient. Now that the amusement stopped, what might happen next? Not the metaverse, that's for sure.
The precipitous drop in fertility even in low income countries. The rise in populism and fear.
It's the phones, humans are being DDoSd. We need government intervention against many aspects of modern technology.
The profit motive works when it comes to reducing manufacturing costs and passing some of that on to consumers through the beauty of competition. It doesn't work so great when it's X training a transformer model to maximize the amount of time you spend doom scrolling so they can feed you gambling advertisements.
Total fertility rates dropped long before smartphones.
Well society had to go and get rid of religion, so people needed another opiate.
Considering how attached to his phone my hyper religious evangelical father-in-law is ... I don't buy it. If there is a causal relationship between those things, it goes the other way.
> people becoming tired of constant stream of crises
They aren't tired, they're distracted. X/TikTok/et. al. are all fire and motion mechanisms.
Agreed, call it future shock or the Singularity or just overall outrage fatigue, people just aren't reacting to these kinds of things at a level commensurate with their risk or danger.
> Why? I think such indifference or rather apathy/torpor is a result of people becoming tired of constant stream of crises (either imaginary or real) that we're being flooded by. The capacity to react with something more than a shrug is finite. And I think we are being drained.
I think it's more that the impact of all these constant string of "crises" ends up having very little impact on the average American's lifestyle. Groceries a bit more expensive, gas higher, rent continues to creep up. Some giant incomprehensible national debt number gets higher. Those all suck and people complain about them - but they are complaining about them in packed bars while they drink $7 beers and eat $30 burgers and fries.
You can only yell so many times that the world is ending before people tune it out since their day to day lives are largely unchanged. Just look at the focus on complaining about almost irrelevant things like the price of eggs or whatever totally irrelevant culture war topic of the day. It's societal bike shedding.
I am firmly of the belief (and have been for quite some time) that the "average" middle class American is going to need severe pain - as in widespread great depression level pain - before anything really changes at all at the ground level. Americans have simply become so used to living the lifestyle being part of an insulated hegemonic superpower empire that they have taken that for granted as how things generally will always be no matter what happens. There is zero consideration for the amount of sheer effort, will, and constant vigilance it took to build and maintain such a state of being.
Or put another way: Inertia is a hell of a drug.
If cybersecurity is slowly ramping up in complexity, isn’t the statement “we’re living through the most consequential hundred days in history” always trivially true?
>And yet, the public conversation around them has been quiet to the point of being strange.
i dont think its that strange. there are multiple wars raging on, with many people fearing the breakout of a global conflict. a giant pedophile ring has been exposed that no one in power seems interested in doing anything about. prices for everything are haywire. markets are an absolute rollercoaster, hinging completely on one mans late night tweets. and so on.
people just dont have the bandwidth to also learn about what an npm or github is, and why a hack of it is important. news stations are going to pick the news that results in the most people tuning in to watch. that is war, not whatever a mercor is.
the non-tech (and many of the tech) people in my life are also just plain tired of hearing about hacks. they have heard that their information has been stolen 10 times or whatever in the last 5 years. they have heard 100s of "this company was hacked" stories. "another hack? who cares?".
The issue is also one of agency: the public has absolutely no agency in this. There is nothing an ordinary member of the public can do to avoid having their data exposed, there is nothing they can do to cause corporations to have more robust security models nor to cause actual consequences for all the executives that chose profit over security at every possible decision point.
To the public this becomes like the risk of being hit by lightning or being in a car accident, just background noise we avoid thinking about as much as possible. It is just the cost of living in this economy.
As fatiguing as legal breach notices are to lay people, it's equally frustrating as a dev because security is not a distinguishing feature we can advertise in our product so we can't prioritize it at all. Let the lawyers figure it out later seems to be best practice now.
And of course vuln finding is now automated so even if we do a good job locking it down this morning, nothing will not keep out the next wave tonight.
Plus, our current political atmosphere encourages digital chaos, for example gutting CISA.
> a giant pedophile ring has been exposed that no one in power seems interested in doing anything about
But that's not true. The European Union and many other countries are taking extreme measures to ensure that what happened in the United States never happens with them and they are introducing a bunch of different measures to strengthen control over society, the media sphere, and other measures to ensure that no pedophile rings could be exposed.
Really? The UK never even did anything except sweep the LAST pedophile ring uncovered under the rug too!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploit...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigations_into_the_Rother...
"A 2024 report on child sex exploitation in Rochdale from 2004 to 2013 found that there was "compelling evidence" of widespread abuse, and that Greater Manchester Police and Rochdale Council had failed to properly investigate these cases, leaving girls "at the mercy of their abusers". While there were successful prosecutions, the report said that the investigations carried out during the period covered by the report only "scraped the surface" of what had happened, and that many abusers had gone unpunished."
>The UK never even did anything except sweep the LAST pedophile ring uncovered under the rug too!
the comment you are replying to is written sarcastically, ending with: "to ensure that no pedophile rings could be exposed"
in other words, they agree with what you have written. your reply appears to assume the opposite.
Read again what you are responding to.
HN is a bit of a bubble in that people here tend to be quite privacy focused and would be horrified at the prospect of their details being leaked.
For a lot of normal people that's not the case and as long as they don't get someone actually stealing their identity etc. they aren't really concerned about these kind of things
> a giant pedophile ring has been exposed that no one in power seems interested in doing anything about
This was one of the things Trump got 2024 elected on - many Republican voters were extremely keen on this being addressed. I'm glad Trump's fumbled it now so the Democrats are interested in addressing it, though for the wrong reasons.
Its the tech worlds equivalent to eating X causes cancer.
Frustratingly, I have my foot in both worlds to a degree. I'm interested enough in tech to pay attention and often lurk the tech bubble that is HN and hear about the raging dumpster fires from the folks who live and work in that domain. But I exist in a mostly non-tech world IRL where this exists among the other burning dumpster fires to the point that I can't care about another data hack, and i hate that I don't have the bandwidth to care. To a more acute degree, my mother was nearly wiped of half her life savings by "hackers"/fraudsters posing as employees of her bank. Being "hacked" is a part of life now, and outrage fatigue is real.
> Cisco’s private GitHub was cloned.
From this,
https://www.sdxcentral.com/news/cisco-source-code-breach-lea...
It sounds like they were/are using GitHub to host company-private source code, presumably of high-value.
While it's hard to know exactly the setup (e.g. maybe they are running their own instance of GitHub internally), this is your reminder that public clouds are not secure, no matter how much you pay the maintainers of said clouds.
Internal network compromise is of course always possible, but sheesh, it sounds like this list has lots of public cloud failures.
Or not
I have this mental model that the natural state of the web is to act like an organism that is continuously assaulted by viruses - sometimes that is SEO spam, sometimes actual viruses, sometimes a game-changing shift like AI vulnerability scanning. The pattern is the organism gets assaulted, digests the virus and comes back a bit tougher with more layers of complexity and defensiveness.
I think right now we are waiting for the Morris worm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_worm) equivalent shock to the system, but it is likely to be much, much worse and much more specific. I expect something that will make DOGE stealing SSNs look kind of tame. Something like every private GitHub exposed, every Visa card data and history exposed, every Mac injected with a rootkit, etc. It's like waiting for the plot from Sneakers to manifest.
For all the security we have built over the last 50 years, it has been impossible (or nearly so) to lock down any web-accessible content. It is a structural issue at a certain level of complexity, the surface area is just far too wide for any focused effort. Aside from direct 0 day vulnerabilities in software there are vulnerabilities in core libraries, frameworks, CI/CD, cloud services, hardware bugs, gaps between services, permission vectors, etc.
The U.S. has relied on the legal system to allow our insane credit card system to persist, where security by obscurity (knowing someone's CC#) is the main deterrent to abuse. I need a complex password to access any website, but CC#s are flying free. I think the combination of easy worldwide vulnerability scanning and U.S.'s focus on pissing every country off is going to lead to significant and unending asymmetrical warfare. If our gov't has been co-opted by big business, big business is going to become the target. As we have seen with Iran with Hormuz and Ukraine with drone strikes, it isn't so hard for small countries to fuck up global systems.
We are entering a 90s-style phase where any script kiddie can cause massive disruptions. Trump likes to threaten NUCLEAR but security issues could potentially cause even more death and destruction - overwhelm the energy grid, open dams, crash air traffic control communications, etc. There is lots of concern over the oligarchy owning AI and keeping it for themselves, but the more immediate risk is that any country can potentially lash out with disruptive actions.
There has been a retreat from globalization since COVID. I wouldn't be surprised if that extends to global internet communications as well. Internet traffic between countries might soon be severely restricted, that's the last line of defense we actually have if this goes as badly as Anthropic is implying.
If I can play devils advocate in favor of public disinterest about these events, I think you can argue that cybersecurity doesn't really matter, in the grand scheme of things. At least data exfiltration.
What would the consequences for humanity be if every single electronic patient record was leaked onto the internet? After a good deal of embarrassment and drama, probably positive. It would most likely facilitate a lot of scientific inquiry. A lot of people, especially in medical deserts, also use Chatgpt as an md. Providing AI companies with high quality medical data is actually a public service.
So it goes for most things in life, except for financial and destructive wipe attacks, data security is mostly about protecting the IP of incumbents, which is somewhere between irrelevant and a net negative. It's hard to say what the long term consequences of the IP system breaking down would be, but there is a good argument to be made that it's not necessarily bad.
As for individual people, most don't really care or are resigned to the fact that Google already knows everything about them, and probably abstractly enjoy the fact that a major company gets brought down to their reality. Plenty of societies have extremely collectivistic mindsets of public info being shared, like Scandinavian countries having public tax filings, and they work just fine.
I think most people would secretly relish the outcomes of everything leaking everywhere. Just like people relish the Epstein files being released, and probably would have loved an unredacted version being leaked. Secrets are something human beings naturally gravitate towards to dig up and sharing, and this is actually for good, sensible reasons. Evolution has simply favored groups that did not hoard knowledge, at least not internally. There is a reason the scientific method has openness as a virtue, and is arguably one of the pillars that has carried humanity out of the dark ages.
It would be terrible, I don’t think you’re thinking about what kinds of discrimination can happen due to things like medical records. You can have laws in place to prevent it but if someone can freely see your entire medical history then people WILL take advantage of that. Not to mention how things like citizens traveling to states where abortion is legal, or if a parent disagrees with an operation could affect someone if things are public. This is only talking about medical records, too, the implications of other kinds of espionage have significant repercussions as well. Cybersecurity absolutely does matter
Add to this the Rockwell Automation attack and you get a beautiful Chickens-Coming-Home-To-Roost stew!
https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa...