I hope someone will create a lightweight version without AI and code editing stuff. The terminal experience is the best, but I don't have any use for the agentic stuff while having claude code, opencode, codex and plenty other options.
It's good feedback. We've tried to make it so there is a single "turn off all the AI stuff" button (and you can opt into plain old terminal during onboarding as well, with no login, etc). Curious if this does the trick?
> Open-sourcing is fundamentally coming from our desire to build a successful business. We are competing with other highly funded, closed-source competitors, and we think opening and providing the resources for the community to improve Warp is a smart way for us to accelerate product development. Yes, we are a VC funded startup, but we do not have the resources to compete on price or massively subsidize usage – we need to build our business by offering the best possible product to the most excited community.
Who are their highly funded closed-source competitors they claim Warp cannot beat on price?
Warp is the only closed source terminal product I know of. Most other popular terminal emulators are open source already.
I feel like their funding is drying up and this is their last ditch effort to have the "community" build their product for them.
They claim agents will run the show, with inputs from community in the form of ideas/specs/direction. I wonder how long that will be sustainable for given the subsidized model prices are collapsing as we speak.
Is this an attempt to pivot to something else while the "community" keeps their first product alive? Maybe I'm being too cynical here, but I don't see this as an act of good faith, especially given their roots in VC funding.
the presenter is pretty sane, but the product is hardly a product at the current scenario. pretty much codemirror 6 collaborative editing demo + vm running claude code, with a web GUI. will fall apart with large code bases just like vscode, github codespaces and co. do, and expensive for llms to run against. Would be nice to see the foundational problems being worked on instead of regurgiting what everybody is doing.
Sad that they didn't open source the commit history. I would have loved to branch off of like 5 years ago when Warp was just a terminal, rip out all the AI and cloud shit, and turn it into just a nice terminal with some neat features.
As someone who released the source of an app that was always expected to be public I appreciate that it would be interesting but I'm not surprised. If the code isn't being regularly published there is just less incentive to be sure that every commit is "public ready". So when releasing I wanted to do a full review of current code (and especially comments and docs). This was tedious enough and even though we didn't find anything major and only a handful of things that should be cleaned I absolutely wouldn't want to do this for the full history.
Could we have just released it? Absolutely. But I think everyone who contributed felt better knowing that what was released had one final "ready for public" review. Then our regular review process handled that going forward.
Yeah, it would have been a great job for an LLM. Although if you find something in the history you then need to make the annoying choice of history rewriting or just leaving it in.
My main driver has been Ghostty but I've been looking at Warp for a while. Warp seems like a full on IDE (~ADE) though, as opposed to a minimalistic terminal. Can anyone add some thoughts? Are these 2 very different?
tangential: I've seen Mitchel tweet that people in SF have ran up to him showing him how they fully riced their Ghostty setup. How many people here have done this and how easy/manageable is it? e.g. just forking the repo and implementing whatever Warp feature I like?
check out yaw terminal for a terminal first experience that also treats ai cli as a first class citizen. and if you're on windows is very dialed into git bash.
libghostty makes it pretty easy to do. I spent about two weeks setting something up until it was advanced enough to daily drive. I wanted to have a modal workflow similar to vim or tmux copy mode, but without having the overhead of using tmux... that's probably a lot more complicated than "I want Ghostty but with $X tweak". You can poke around in the repo to get a feel for what's involved if you want: https://github.com/milch/mistty
I really like Warp. It's a lot nicer to be able to visualize what I'm doing in the terminal. Some people don't like the AI features, but they only activate if you log in.
I've been trying to figure out what the long term play is here - is it an angling for a frontier lab acquisition? Or does open-sourcing put Warp in the same sort of category as OpenCode - where charging for LLM tokens becomes the main commercial driver?
Holy shit this made my day. Warp’s convenience shell wrapping is amazing. It’s the only terminal where I can actually edit a long command in place rather than copy pasting into an editor and doing so there.
Now I’m more or less assured I can retain this convenience without being forced into more AI crap.
Well, it hasn't under the OS/2 name, but as the licensed successor ArcOS, its last release was literally this year. (Of course, that's also why OS/2 is pretty unlikely to be open-sourced any time soon: it's actually still being developed and sold!)
I hope someone will create a lightweight version without AI and code editing stuff. The terminal experience is the best, but I don't have any use for the agentic stuff while having claude code, opencode, codex and plenty other options.
It's good feedback. We've tried to make it so there is a single "turn off all the AI stuff" button (and you can opt into plain old terminal during onboarding as well, with no login, etc). Curious if this does the trick?
~And where is it? I am a long time signed in user, so no onboarding for me.~ How would you make money from users like me?
edit: nevermind, it was quite discoverable...
You could probably few-shot this yourself by pointing at the repo. I'm 95% sure it can be done in a day end-to-end.
can you share more about what makes it so great. this is the first i am hearing about it , so i am curious.
i currently use tmux and ghostty for my workflow
> Open-sourcing is fundamentally coming from our desire to build a successful business. We are competing with other highly funded, closed-source competitors, and we think opening and providing the resources for the community to improve Warp is a smart way for us to accelerate product development. Yes, we are a VC funded startup, but we do not have the resources to compete on price or massively subsidize usage – we need to build our business by offering the best possible product to the most excited community.
Appreciate the candid take. Warp is great.
Who are their highly funded closed-source competitors they claim Warp cannot beat on price?
Warp is the only closed source terminal product I know of. Most other popular terminal emulators are open source already.
I feel like their funding is drying up and this is their last ditch effort to have the "community" build their product for them.
They claim agents will run the show, with inputs from community in the form of ideas/specs/direction. I wonder how long that will be sustainable for given the subsidized model prices are collapsing as we speak.
Is this an attempt to pivot to something else while the "community" keeps their first product alive? Maybe I'm being too cynical here, but I don't see this as an act of good faith, especially given their roots in VC funding.
They see their competitors as Claude Code, Codex, and Cursor, not ghostty or something.
GitHub is going to go after this too (unsurprisingly). Working "Ace" prototype from Github "lab."
https://maggieappleton.com/zero-alignment/
the presenter is pretty sane, but the product is hardly a product at the current scenario. pretty much codemirror 6 collaborative editing demo + vm running claude code, with a web GUI. will fall apart with large code bases just like vscode, github codespaces and co. do, and expensive for llms to run against. Would be nice to see the foundational problems being worked on instead of regurgiting what everybody is doing.
correct - our business is our agent and orchestrator, not our terminal.
+1 use warp every day. Needs some UX improvement around the agent stuff and file editor but I see it as alpha/beta software so I'm not too critical.
Duplicate of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47937349 (or vice versa; this one was earlier but has fewer comments)
Sad that they didn't open source the commit history. I would have loved to branch off of like 5 years ago when Warp was just a terminal, rip out all the AI and cloud shit, and turn it into just a nice terminal with some neat features.
As someone who released the source of an app that was always expected to be public I appreciate that it would be interesting but I'm not surprised. If the code isn't being regularly published there is just less incentive to be sure that every commit is "public ready". So when releasing I wanted to do a full review of current code (and especially comments and docs). This was tedious enough and even though we didn't find anything major and only a handful of things that should be cleaned I absolutely wouldn't want to do this for the full history.
Could we have just released it? Absolutely. But I think everyone who contributed felt better knowing that what was released had one final "ready for public" review. Then our regular review process handled that going forward.
Ironically a task that an AI agent would have no problem doing.
Yeah, it would have been a great job for an LLM. Although if you find something in the history you then need to make the annoying choice of history rewriting or just leaving it in.
Can I use it now without logging in?
They got rid of the login requirement a long time ago: https://www.warp.dev/blog/lifting-login-requirement
My main driver has been Ghostty but I've been looking at Warp for a while. Warp seems like a full on IDE (~ADE) though, as opposed to a minimalistic terminal. Can anyone add some thoughts? Are these 2 very different?
tangential: I've seen Mitchel tweet that people in SF have ran up to him showing him how they fully riced their Ghostty setup. How many people here have done this and how easy/manageable is it? e.g. just forking the repo and implementing whatever Warp feature I like?
Warp founder here. We actually are chatting with Mitchell about integrating Ghostty so it's the terminal grid renderer within Warp.
Warp failed to launch. Perhaps too much AI pushed onto the users in the early days that failed to show its charm.
Ghostty remains incredible stable and usable and fast compared to competition.
check out yaw terminal for a terminal first experience that also treats ai cli as a first class citizen. and if you're on windows is very dialed into git bash.
no. stop spamming this crap.
apologies, just trying to get the word out. and why is it crap? it seems exactly relevant to what i'm replying to.
well maybe meaningfully participate in the thread before pitching your product
libghostty makes it pretty easy to do. I spent about two weeks setting something up until it was advanced enough to daily drive. I wanted to have a modal workflow similar to vim or tmux copy mode, but without having the overhead of using tmux... that's probably a lot more complicated than "I want Ghostty but with $X tweak". You can poke around in the repo to get a feel for what's involved if you want: https://github.com/milch/mistty
I really like Warp. It's a lot nicer to be able to visualize what I'm doing in the terminal. Some people don't like the AI features, but they only activate if you log in.
Which when I last used it they forced you to do. I'm assuming this has changed in the several years since?
Correct, we got rid of this requirement a couple of years ago. No login required at all, except for using AI and team features.
Great terminal, annoying that everytime it updates I have to go back to the settings to disable new AI features or layout changes.
I've been trying to figure out what the long term play is here - is it an angling for a frontier lab acquisition? Or does open-sourcing put Warp in the same sort of category as OpenCode - where charging for LLM tokens becomes the main commercial driver?
Holy shit this made my day. Warp’s convenience shell wrapping is amazing. It’s the only terminal where I can actually edit a long command in place rather than copy pasting into an editor and doing so there. Now I’m more or less assured I can retain this convenience without being forced into more AI crap.
^X^E in bash takes your current prompt and moves it to your $EDITOR.
for zsh:
Have you tried `C-x e`
Just ask your agent to fork and remove it!
Maybe someone will finally add tmux/zellij support…
This is on our public roadmap actually. Would love to work with the community on this.
Was hoping this was about OS/2. Nope, all AI grifts.
Well, very nice, will need to give it a try afer I check the requirements. I almost went to Warp from DOS but Linux arrived first.
EDIT: well looks like this is not OS/2 Warp. I wish the title would have noted this is somekind of app instead of just saying "warp".
It's ok to recycle names once every thirty years :) Warp hasn't had a release in decades.
Well, it hasn't under the OS/2 name, but as the licensed successor ArcOS, its last release was literally this year. (Of course, that's also why OS/2 is pretty unlikely to be open-sourced any time soon: it's actually still being developed and sold!)