I don't understand how Palantir managed to sell their services outside of the US, given their deep ties to CIA, political positions and involment with US goverments.
Because until recently that was part of the sales pitch. The post-WW2 political order was that the US Govt was the security guarantor for the "western world," which meant countries allied with the US traded an almost unparalleled security guarantee for things like dollar hegemony and trade policies they probably wouldn't have acceded to otherwise. The Iraq war severely strained that bargain, and Trump's effectively broken it, but for the entire latter half of the 20th century, "this company is part of the American Military-Industrial Technosphere" was why you did business with them.
Wouldn’t that also describe every single US tech and defense contractor? The fact it has deep ties to cia is probably seen as a benefit to the leadership of our allies. Maybe their own public sour on that but you can be sure behind closed doors they are in lockstep with the actual aims of our deep state intelligence services.
The thing is that while EU is allied with the US, they are also competitors in many markets.
Airbus is using Palantir services. The competition between Boeing and Airbus has often be brutal and dirty, and considered significant at the state level.
The fact that a company like Palantir be allowed to insert themselves in the software infrastructure of a critical company that is often working against the interest of the US seems very weird to me.
"Peter Mandelson’s lobbying company, Global Counsel, until its collapse, and Mandelson took the prime minister, Keir Starmer, on a trip to Palantir’s Washington DC showroom. "
Palantir is effectively a US spy company, and let's face it, even Iran have a better international rep than the US right now.
He's just reading the room - no-one wants to be associated with the current US regime, and given Trump's specific dislike of him (you know, because he's not white), he probably doesn't seem to see much reason to beat about the bush.
The US has proven to be a bad international partner, they flout international law, they engage in piracy, their political system is prone to rapid and catastrophic change, and the people there seem to be just fine with electing a narcissistic fraudulent rapist and felon as president. Twice.
Not just "No" but "Hell, No!"
[ITT: Watch the butt-hurt USAsians downvote because they're not used to someone telling it as it is about the USA]
What realm of reality do you live in because the United States is a massive force of evil. Invading nations, ignoring international law, starting illegal blockades, bombing school children, bombing first responders, starving children, helping enable a genocide.
The idea that Iran has a worse international reputation is laughable. The US is literally causing a global recession, along with an energy crunch, and likely manmade induced famine that will ruin the lives of 10s of millions of people; or do none of these lives matter because they have the wrong shade of melatonin?
Whatever goodwill the US built from WW2 has been thoroughly destroyed.
I wish I could say we deserve the imperial boomerang but the only people that will continue to suffer, both domestically and abroad, will be innocent civilians while the elites (who are the only beneficiaries of US imperialism) go unpunished.
And this is strictly talking about political governance, US corporations are another layer of evil as well.
I think a good consideration here is how would the outcry be if it was a Chinese company being woven into governmental and national health systems.
I don't understand how Palantir managed to sell their services outside of the US, given their deep ties to CIA, political positions and involment with US goverments.
Because until recently that was part of the sales pitch. The post-WW2 political order was that the US Govt was the security guarantor for the "western world," which meant countries allied with the US traded an almost unparalleled security guarantee for things like dollar hegemony and trade policies they probably wouldn't have acceded to otherwise. The Iraq war severely strained that bargain, and Trump's effectively broken it, but for the entire latter half of the 20th century, "this company is part of the American Military-Industrial Technosphere" was why you did business with them.
Wouldn’t that also describe every single US tech and defense contractor? The fact it has deep ties to cia is probably seen as a benefit to the leadership of our allies. Maybe their own public sour on that but you can be sure behind closed doors they are in lockstep with the actual aims of our deep state intelligence services.
The thing is that while EU is allied with the US, they are also competitors in many markets.
Airbus is using Palantir services. The competition between Boeing and Airbus has often be brutal and dirty, and considered significant at the state level.
The fact that a company like Palantir be allowed to insert themselves in the software infrastructure of a critical company that is often working against the interest of the US seems very weird to me.
"Peter Mandelson’s lobbying company, Global Counsel, until its collapse, and Mandelson took the prime minister, Keir Starmer, on a trip to Palantir’s Washington DC showroom. "
Bribery.
Side note: Peter Mandelson was also a big fan of Jeffrey Epstein.
And thats putting it mildly.
His spokesperson said Londoners only wanted to see public money being paid to companies that “share the values of our city”.
I wander if they'd care to further elaborate on that.
Not paying the people helping bomb children in Gaza and Iran is a good start.
is that so?
Yes.
Palantir is effectively a US spy company, and let's face it, even Iran have a better international rep than the US right now.
He's just reading the room - no-one wants to be associated with the current US regime, and given Trump's specific dislike of him (you know, because he's not white), he probably doesn't seem to see much reason to beat about the bush.
The US has proven to be a bad international partner, they flout international law, they engage in piracy, their political system is prone to rapid and catastrophic change, and the people there seem to be just fine with electing a narcissistic fraudulent rapist and felon as president. Twice.
Not just "No" but "Hell, No!"
[ITT: Watch the butt-hurt USAsians downvote because they're not used to someone telling it as it is about the USA]
Saying Iran has a better international reputation than the United States is a massive stretch, but yes, this is emotional decision making.
Its really not a stretch. Not even slightly. That's just how low the US has sunk in international rating.
What realm of reality do you live in because the United States is a massive force of evil. Invading nations, ignoring international law, starting illegal blockades, bombing school children, bombing first responders, starving children, helping enable a genocide.
The idea that Iran has a worse international reputation is laughable. The US is literally causing a global recession, along with an energy crunch, and likely manmade induced famine that will ruin the lives of 10s of millions of people; or do none of these lives matter because they have the wrong shade of melatonin?
Whatever goodwill the US built from WW2 has been thoroughly destroyed.
I wish I could say we deserve the imperial boomerang but the only people that will continue to suffer, both domestically and abroad, will be innocent civilians while the elites (who are the only beneficiaries of US imperialism) go unpunished.
And this is strictly talking about political governance, US corporations are another layer of evil as well.
I'd ask the same question of you (except all the emotional stuff)
The only politicization of technology here was done by the Palantir CEO.
>A recent Met police trial of Palantir’s AI to monitor staff behaviour...
To be fair, the Met should get a little credit for applying Palantir to themselves first.
I posted this 5 hours ago and confusingly only received 4 upvotes:
Sadiq Khan blocks £50M Met police deal with Palantir https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48221296
And this new thread was just demoted from the front page despite a lot of activity and upvotes in a short time.
We're going to need to send people to prison when this is all said and done if we're ever going to get other countries' business back.
Great, now kill the NHS deal
This. So much, this.
Who the ever-living fuck thought that was a good idea needs their bank-account scrutinising.
Tories, in particular Steve Barclay and Rishi Sunak
Haven't they already handed over all the data though :/
Excellent news.
Brilliant, no longer a Londoner but I really think Khans done amazing compared to his predecessors.
His alternatives look bleak and elitist, I would not be surprised in the slightest they reverse this.