His kind are like alien vampire squids that in sci-fi books/movies descend from space to harvest earth's resources and terraform the planet for their parasitic use, as famously described in The War of the Worlds.
Epstein island 2.0 is required in order to fill the pipeline of depraved and pliable, corrupted power puppets.
More squid than vampire imho, he probably suffers from the same genetic degeneracy as Zuck by the look of it, these fucking ghouls barely resemble humans and day after day prove they should not be treated as such
It would indeed be surprising to hear people say this if you completely ignore the words and actions of the Epstein class and the overwhelming amount of pain and suffering they afflict on everyone else.
Criticise a jewish person for something completely unrelated: infinite amount of green accounts created on the spot come in and start vaguely referencing "ThE DaRkEsT TiMe In HiStOrY".
The rich are getting too openly greedy and complacent again, they're slowly forgetting about history, can't wait to see how it pans out in the next decades.
Half of Albania is butchered like this, beaches and green being destroyed to make resorts for the tourists to come. Go see Dermi or Vuno and then go see Borsh how clean it is, with no excavations at all or resorts being build.
Most resorts secure favorable tax deals directly from the central governments before they invest, accompanied by public announcements in the media about success of government in attracting international investments.
So no tax the locals. During the construction phase there is some legitimate economy uplift (similar to datacenters). But after that nothing.
Every time you hear about some corpo or another getting to "play a role in the development of $nation" it's pretty much always going to be some kind of bullshit that will employ a lot of locals for shit wages to provide a product or service to residents of the Global North.
There are exceptions of course but the vast, vast, vast majority are tourist trapping and wealth extraction.
The only people this is relevant to are Albanians. I don't expect an Albanian to know about data centers being built in Texas. Hell, I don't expect Michiganders to know about them.
The T family acts as everyone expected and warned, they are not stopping, and they are even accelerating. I'm not sure what is the conclusion from this.
The evidence so far hints more at Albania’s weak rule of law/property/environmental governance and ugly conflict-of-interest more than Kushner being part of some evil conspiracy.
> Scottish people formed a Tripping Up Trump Campaign to make it more difficult to transfer the title to the land, and hundreds of people bought small interests in Forbes' property and became co-owners.
This led to the greatest trolling of an individual ever when they deliberately stuck a windfarm directly off the coast of his new golf course. He's spent a couple of decades spending countless millions in losing a bunch of court cases, and of course, to this day, constantly moans to anyone who will list about "windmills".
As far as trolling goes, it's one of the greatest achievements in the history of mankind.
unfortunately this trolling has caused trump to try to halt all large offshore wind projects in the United States in federal land grants. it's terrible.
This island was a Russian naval base in the cold war with hundreds of underground nuclear bunkers.
Kushner apparently wants to build a billionaire resort with the protections required to insulate billionaires from their actions. Maybe UAE is too dangerous now.
Here is another article. Try not to be put off by the Rothchild connections, they are mostly irrelevant and based on Kushner's own statements:
If things ever get bad enough that the wealthy need underground nuclear bunkers, the underground nuclear bunkers aren't going to be enough to protect them. The ordinary people who did the electrical, plumbing, security, etc. know where you are, and no level of security will protect you from an angry mob with nothing to lose.
> The ordinary people who did the electrical, plumbing, security, etc. know where you are, and no level of security will protect you from an angry mob with nothing to lose.
Governments around the world already keep many locations/facilities secret and hidden from the public.
They will simply arrest you, or worse, just kill you.
> Governments around the world already keep many locations/facilities secret and hidden from the public.
Those cold war bunkers only had one purpose, to keep high ranking government and military peeps alive just long enough (up to 2 weeks or so) to make sure that mutual destruction is actually 'assured'. They were not meant as some sort of cradle to rebuild civilization after a nuklear winter.
There are 2 projects here. And there is a lot of missing details from both.
But what has happened before is that:
The government gives free/cheap/exclusive public land to someone to build apartments/villas. They sell these to whoever wants to buy before starting construction. At the end of construction, with the profits, they build nice hotels at the frontline and keep for themselves without investing any of their own money in anything.
So they will most likely build apartments in Narta, sell them to the populace, and keep Sazan for themselves as luxury resort.
Something worse than this has started happening for high rises too, where they start selling before getting the permit even. So they don't invest their own money even to get the initial permit to start building.
"Wetlands" is poorly understood by commenters in places like USA because there it's largely used as a bad-faith disingenuous prop by development prohibition interests or those seeking to use regulatory capture against smaller business / small land owners.
Very hard for the general public to gain things though.
It's too luxury, most likely will pay no taxes for years, you can import workers from elsewhere, etc etc.
It's not the first time this kind of thing happens in Albania and we've already seen results.
Normal people will just never be able to go there again. People in power will either get millions or 1+ free apartment/villa, or heavily discounted price (depends on how much power you have).
I was literally kitesurfing when they came and added fences to the road to block access to the beach.
YES! More of this. Such places and people are not for sale. What kind of sickos think they can just see a place and say "I've got money, these know-nothing-barefoot-fools will take our money and let us rape their lands!"?
And on top of that it's Trump kids, yeet them into the sea.
The USA is currently run by oligarchs. They try to buy their way
into other countries via corruption. How much kickback did the
government of Albania get already? It is highly suspicious how
supportive they are of Trump.
Incompetent oligarchs. If you can't even successfully bribe the Albanian or Serbian government, you are just really bad at corruption. Those are (sadly) among the most corrupt countries in the world.
edit: the governments appear to be supportive, but obviously aren't as supportive as they could be. Probably taking the bribe and not doing as much as they could.
This is off topic and I understand we’re not supposed to comment on such things, but was anyone else mystified by the decisions that went into the scroll progress bar up top (on mobile)? It seems to be two part, where part of it would accurately reflect your scroll state, while the other had some weird latency associated with it. And then it ended up hidden behind the top of page blur unless you scrolled very aggressively, to the point where the blur could not keep up.
It works for me. I didn't dismiss the first dickover, but did dismiss the second dickover. Scrolled all the way to the bottom smoothly (minus the pause for the second dickover).
Jared Kushner tried a similar thing in Serbia[0] and failed after a public outrage.
[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/12/17/serbia-trump...
That Ivanka podcast interview about this island will go down as a masterpiece in tone-deafness. I assume there are already memes of it.
His kind are like alien vampire squids that in sci-fi books/movies descend from space to harvest earth's resources and terraform the planet for their parasitic use, as famously described in The War of the Worlds.
Epstein island 2.0 is required in order to fill the pipeline of depraved and pliable, corrupted power puppets.
> His kind are like alien vampire squids
More squid than vampire imho, he probably suffers from the same genetic degeneracy as Zuck by the look of it, these fucking ghouls barely resemble humans and day after day prove they should not be treated as such
They want to upstage Putin's Black Sea palace in a place where they can bribe their way out of extradition.
This kind of talk used to be a lot more common in our grandparents' time. It's sad to see the best and the brightest of our times going back to it.
I'm so happy we're going back to it!
It would indeed be surprising to hear people say this if you completely ignore the words and actions of the Epstein class and the overwhelming amount of pain and suffering they afflict on everyone else.
lmao, every. single. time.
Criticise a jewish person for something completely unrelated: infinite amount of green accounts created on the spot come in and start vaguely referencing "ThE DaRkEsT TiMe In HiStOrY".
The rich are getting too openly greedy and complacent again, they're slowly forgetting about history, can't wait to see how it pans out in the next decades.
https://www.prosperosisle.org/spip.php?article1196
Which is ironic because Rae Kushner - his grandmother - is a legend. She has gone through some things.
Now her grandson is wrecking Europe.
https://www.npr.org/2018/05/04/560224531/trump-stories-kushn...
Present America is real estate developers all the way down.
Half of Albania is butchered like this, beaches and green being destroyed to make resorts for the tourists to come. Go see Dermi or Vuno and then go see Borsh how clean it is, with no excavations at all or resorts being build.
Don't forget that resorts et al typically belong to international capital, and the tourists rarely leave the premises.
So what does the local economy get out of it? A few maids salary to clean up the tourist's shit?
what about tax revenue ?
Most resorts secure favorable tax deals directly from the central governments before they invest, accompanied by public announcements in the media about success of government in attracting international investments.
So no tax the locals. During the construction phase there is some legitimate economy uplift (similar to datacenters). But after that nothing.
Same in Greece. Right off the coast of Albania, Corfu is seeing heavy development as well.
I wonder how many more things like this are happening under the radar around the world
The article says: "If it was not Jared, they would not give a shit about what is happening in Albania," Rama said."
Every time you hear about some corpo or another getting to "play a role in the development of $nation" it's pretty much always going to be some kind of bullshit that will employ a lot of locals for shit wages to provide a product or service to residents of the Global North.
There are exceptions of course but the vast, vast, vast majority are tourist trapping and wealth extraction.
This is hardly under the radar, it’s all over the news.
They mean an attempt like this, but one that they manage to keep quiet and out of the press.
I wonder, if I asked the next dozen people I meet, whether they would have any idea about this.
The only people this is relevant to are Albanians. I don't expect an Albanian to know about data centers being built in Texas. Hell, I don't expect Michiganders to know about them.
I thought Albania still had concrete bunkers around the coast to keep unwanted invaders OUT.
The T family acts as everyone expected and warned, they are not stopping, and they are even accelerating. I'm not sure what is the conclusion from this.
The evidence so far hints more at Albania’s weak rule of law/property/environmental governance and ugly conflict-of-interest more than Kushner being part of some evil conspiracy.
Somewhat higher stakes version of the Trump Aberdeen golf course:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-she...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Forbes_(farmer)
Wow! I especially like this:
> Scottish people formed a Tripping Up Trump Campaign to make it more difficult to transfer the title to the land, and hundreds of people bought small interests in Forbes' property and became co-owners.
This led to the greatest trolling of an individual ever when they deliberately stuck a windfarm directly off the coast of his new golf course. He's spent a couple of decades spending countless millions in losing a bunch of court cases, and of course, to this day, constantly moans to anyone who will list about "windmills".
As far as trolling goes, it's one of the greatest achievements in the history of mankind.
unfortunately this trolling has caused trump to try to halt all large offshore wind projects in the United States in federal land grants. it's terrible.
Yep absolutely this and not at all big oil money/interest.
What would be doubly ironic is if the gold course windmill farm was sponsored by big oil.
Why not both?
For the gory details, see
1. Donald Trump's Ego Trip - lessons for the new Scotland (2011) https://andywightman.scot/docs/trumpreport_v1a.pdf
2. You've Been Trumped (2011) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr6efmndvps
Weird flagging in this submission. Pointing out that billionaires build nuclear bunkers is not allowed even though it is public knowledge.
This island was a Russian naval base in the cold war with hundreds of underground nuclear bunkers.
Kushner apparently wants to build a billionaire resort with the protections required to insulate billionaires from their actions. Maybe UAE is too dangerous now.
Here is another article. Try not to be put off by the Rothchild connections, they are mostly irrelevant and based on Kushner's own statements:
https://tomselliott.substack.com/p/what-is-jared-kushner-act...
A billionaire resort with 10,000 hotel rooms...
If things ever get bad enough that the wealthy need underground nuclear bunkers, the underground nuclear bunkers aren't going to be enough to protect them. The ordinary people who did the electrical, plumbing, security, etc. know where you are, and no level of security will protect you from an angry mob with nothing to lose.
> The ordinary people who did the electrical, plumbing, security, etc. know where you are, and no level of security will protect you from an angry mob with nothing to lose.
Governments around the world already keep many locations/facilities secret and hidden from the public.
They will simply arrest you, or worse, just kill you.
What’s your solution to that?
> Governments around the world already keep many locations/facilities secret and hidden from the public.
Those cold war bunkers only had one purpose, to keep high ranking government and military peeps alive just long enough (up to 2 weeks or so) to make sure that mutual destruction is actually 'assured'. They were not meant as some sort of cradle to rebuild civilization after a nuklear winter.
Have you thought this through fully? In that case who'se supposed to be doing the arresting and killing? -- more ordinary people.
Look at what happened to Ceaușescu for example. He went from being confident in his rule to dead 24 hours later.
automated war machines are plenty to stop an angry mob imo.
Now imagine an angry mob with automated war machines
Maybe in some dystopian future. But right now there are still plenty of humans in the loop for supporting those machines.
Yeah like the elites would have any clue how they operate, like any tech.
It looks like Thiel is betting on Argentina.
as the custom goes, since 1945.
That would explain why Milei got so much US money already. I wonder when the people in Argentina wake up and realise this is a problem.
Argentina has been a mess for decades.
Are we sure they're not just negotiating over the price?
Yes. The whole bought media, party in-power, the opposition are against the protests and are trying to downplay them.
Source: I live there. It's very easy to tell if you do.
Is the project more of a private residence or something that would bring tourism to the local economy?
There are 2 projects here. And there is a lot of missing details from both.
But what has happened before is that:
The government gives free/cheap/exclusive public land to someone to build apartments/villas. They sell these to whoever wants to buy before starting construction. At the end of construction, with the profits, they build nice hotels at the frontline and keep for themselves without investing any of their own money in anything.
So they will most likely build apartments in Narta, sell them to the populace, and keep Sazan for themselves as luxury resort.
Something worse than this has started happening for high rises too, where they start selling before getting the permit even. So they don't invest their own money even to get the initial permit to start building.
So... it's like a kickstarter for real estate!
I'll take your word for it! But I reflexively add "... at this price" to such statements.
People really don't get the idea of intangible cultural heritage and irreplaceable wetlands, do they? Not everything and everyone is for sale.
"Wetlands" is poorly understood by commenters in places like USA because there it's largely used as a bad-faith disingenuous prop by development prohibition interests or those seeking to use regulatory capture against smaller business / small land owners.
Stop the financialisation of everything.
This isn't the Albanian people's first rodeo...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Albanian_civil_unrest
What do the locals have from a higher price?
Protests by the masses and business negotiations are very different.
Very hard for the general public to gain things though.
It's too luxury, most likely will pay no taxes for years, you can import workers from elsewhere, etc etc.
It's not the first time this kind of thing happens in Albania and we've already seen results.
Normal people will just never be able to go there again. People in power will either get millions or 1+ free apartment/villa, or heavily discounted price (depends on how much power you have).
I was literally kitesurfing when they came and added fences to the road to block access to the beach.
YES! More of this. Such places and people are not for sale. What kind of sickos think they can just see a place and say "I've got money, these know-nothing-barefoot-fools will take our money and let us rape their lands!"?
And on top of that it's Trump kids, yeet them into the sea.
Some of the messaging around this by the people trying to build this out is so tone deaf. I think they know and that's why they're building bunkers.
Which is actually pretty shortsighted.
What if we just made a strong middle class? Made sure they had a LOT more money? Then they could just buy more stuff and services.
These poor billionaires are just trying to make ends meet like any of us.
The USA is currently run by oligarchs. They try to buy their way into other countries via corruption. How much kickback did the government of Albania get already? It is highly suspicious how supportive they are of Trump.
You can be sure they are getting paid off. It's sickening.
In the past the wealthy families would fund building churches, hospitals, housing for poor.
Nowadays' oligarchs aren't that kind.
Incompetent oligarchs. If you can't even successfully bribe the Albanian or Serbian government, you are just really bad at corruption. Those are (sadly) among the most corrupt countries in the world.
edit: the governments appear to be supportive, but obviously aren't as supportive as they could be. Probably taking the bribe and not doing as much as they could.
When Trump was running for the first time, the prime minister was extremely against Trump and even ridiculed him publicly on interviews "shame of our civilization" https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/04/13/albanian-prime-minister...
Which backfired after Trump won twice in US. But it's just business.
This is off topic and I understand we’re not supposed to comment on such things, but was anyone else mystified by the decisions that went into the scroll progress bar up top (on mobile)? It seems to be two part, where part of it would accurately reflect your scroll state, while the other had some weird latency associated with it. And then it ended up hidden behind the top of page blur unless you scrolled very aggressively, to the point where the blur could not keep up.
It works for me. I didn't dismiss the first dickover, but did dismiss the second dickover. Scrolled all the way to the bottom smoothly (minus the pause for the second dickover).