Java 27 already? I just learned about Java 26. But I’m not complaining, the JEPs that is getting introduced on every release are quite exciting features. I highly recommend following the Java official YouTube channel, they publish entertaining, yet informative videos/shorts about tips/tricks/features.
I think they are saying Java is dead?! Not sure how else to interpret the comment. If that's the case I have to disagree. There are probably billions of lines of Java in enterprise, it will never die.
my standard Java analogy is it's like a garbage truck. Java is out there every day doing a job that's absolutely critical but rarely, if ever, in the lime light.
They moved to a schedule instead of waiting for features to be finished.
Basically we get a new major version release on a schedule. Everything that is finished gets packaged in and everything else pushed to the next release.
The issue before was that they marked beforehand "version X will contain feature Y" and then feature Y got delayed by 3 years which means everything else in version X also got delayed by 3 years even though they were done 6 months ago.
It's too many releases now. At some points, the numbers just become noise. I think most people will stick to the LTS releases, but even those come out every two years.
The numbers have become meaningless noise already. This release should've been called 26.1, then 27.0, 27.1, 28.0 and so on. Year.version. How Canonical does it with Ubuntu.
The current numbering scheme is annoying and distracting, bears no information yet is still error prone.
I believe that's by design: applications are encouraged to upgrade often. That's usually a smooth process for standard-conforming applications.
Applications that need to move slower can stick to LTS versions. LTS hopping has become a little bit more viable since the interval has been shortened to two years, i.e., four major versions.
With each new Java release the previous one becomes instantly unsupported (meaning that it receives no security updates), unless you pay Oracle (or another vendor). So you are forced to update if you want security updates (or run only LTS releases, or pay a vendor).
Rust releases are just compiler toolchain, maybe some new syntax features. Java includes the JVM which is subject to way more security issues and needs much more frequent updating.
Patches are released continuously. The upstream versions get them immediately and they are then backported to LTS versions. Whether the patches actually become available simultaneously I cannot say without.
I work with dotnet but my understanding is that some applications/ teams are still on java 8 with spring boot or whatever so it isn't like they aren't modernizing but they are choosing to do so at their own time which is fine I think
Java is swell and all, but having seen how the vendor treats even their large customers, I could never in good conscience recommend them to anyone I do business with. Better to miss out on the latest features and work with more respectful vendors IMO.
What vendor? OpenJDK is free and libre. If you mean Oracle, then that's a choice your employer made and yeah, you're SoL, especially for working in such a place.
Java 27 already? I just learned about Java 26. But I’m not complaining, the JEPs that is getting introduced on every release are quite exciting features. I highly recommend following the Java official YouTube channel, they publish entertaining, yet informative videos/shorts about tips/tricks/features.
Since 2018 they've been making two releases per year. One in March and one in September.
would you mind linking to the channel? not sure which one you mean
https://youtube.com/@java?si=pN0ODGy-YLaaunIn
This is the official Java channel.
> tests showed that for environments with one CPU (or fewer)
Article seems AI generated. Is there an official announcement we could be discussing instead?
It's probably comment on shared CPUs. Like in kubernetes where you can assign 300 milliCPUs.
I didn't read the article, it doesn't open for me (HN hug?).
I wonder if it's a joke about oversubscribed environments (cloud VPS) or a real remark about fractional CPU budgets in container environments
Give us some break we just recently migrated to Java 11 from Java 8
Don't be scared of a big number, since 2018 they do 2 releases each year.
[delayed]
The best thing to ever happen to the software world was Oracle buying Sun and consequently Java.
Java was great at its time but then had to go. Oracle gaining control over them sped up this process.
Poor Android got caught up and now half our phones don’t work
What are you trying to say?
I think they are saying Java is dead?! Not sure how else to interpret the comment. If that's the case I have to disagree. There are probably billions of lines of Java in enterprise, it will never die.
my standard Java analogy is it's like a garbage truck. Java is out there every day doing a job that's absolutely critical but rarely, if ever, in the lime light.
Java is still very popular and even being used for new projects.
Does the website have geoblocking or did HN gave it a hug of death?
Hug of death by all appearances, here's an archive link https://web.archive.org/web/20260710102120/https://www.loicm...
Is it just my personal feeling, or are Java version numbers becoming as inflationary as browser version numbers?
They moved to a schedule instead of waiting for features to be finished.
Basically we get a new major version release on a schedule. Everything that is finished gets packaged in and everything else pushed to the next release.
The issue before was that they marked beforehand "version X will contain feature Y" and then feature Y got delayed by 3 years which means everything else in version X also got delayed by 3 years even though they were done 6 months ago.
It's too many releases now. At some points, the numbers just become noise. I think most people will stick to the LTS releases, but even those come out every two years.
The numbers have become meaningless noise already. This release should've been called 26.1, then 27.0, 27.1, 28.0 and so on. Year.version. How Canonical does it with Ubuntu.
The current numbering scheme is annoying and distracting, bears no information yet is still error prone.
I don't see the point, just increment it every release. Don't see what errors are prone either
I believe that's by design: applications are encouraged to upgrade often. That's usually a smooth process for standard-conforming applications.
Applications that need to move slower can stick to LTS versions. LTS hopping has become a little bit more viable since the interval has been shortened to two years, i.e., four major versions.
Why? Just upgrade. Make it so that your org can deal with it.
Unless you're forced at gunpoint, how can there be too many releases?
Rust releases every 6 weeks, since 2016...
If you don't want to update, just don't?
If you feel (!) pressured, you should work on that.
With each new Java release the previous one becomes instantly unsupported (meaning that it receives no security updates), unless you pay Oracle (or another vendor). So you are forced to update if you want security updates (or run only LTS releases, or pay a vendor).
So if the matters to you, run the LTS release, right? I'm not sure I follow the concern.
Rust releases are just compiler toolchain, maybe some new syntax features. Java includes the JVM which is subject to way more security issues and needs much more frequent updating.
But can't you continue to run older bytecode versions on newer JVMs? I think you can also specify the source version separately.
Yes, you can. There is no need to recompile, unless you're interested in new language features.
Maintaining binary compatibility is a principal goal of the platform which continues to constrain design decisions for all future changes.
> Java includes the JVM which is subject to way more security issues and needs much more frequent updating.
Then releasing more often is better, because the security fixes get out of the door faster?!
If previously a Java Update took 3 years, then the corresponding JVM version would be 3 years old as well.
If there were patch release in between, I see no difference to now.
Patches are released continuously. The upstream versions get them immediately and they are then backported to LTS versions. Whether the patches actually become available simultaneously I cannot say without.
Do they have backwards compatibility guarantees?
Otherwise what are we doing here?
They do, some of the best of any language.
That said backwards compatibility problems still hit as some libraries enjoy using internal APIs.
It's not an every time thing and it's been easier and easier with updates.
I work with dotnet but my understanding is that some applications/ teams are still on java 8 with spring boot or whatever so it isn't like they aren't modernizing but they are choosing to do so at their own time which is fine I think
Its just your personal feeling.
Non-nullable reference types at the language level? Null coalescing operator? Safe navigation accessors? Record composition?
Java is swell and all, but having seen how the vendor treats even their large customers, I could never in good conscience recommend them to anyone I do business with. Better to miss out on the latest features and work with more respectful vendors IMO.
What vendor? OpenJDK is free and libre. If you mean Oracle, then that's a choice your employer made and yeah, you're SoL, especially for working in such a place.