How does the advertisement process work exactly? $FAMOUSPERSON joins platform and makes their first post. Were they a nobody, it would be screaming into the void.
Does the celebrity contact news outlets, “Hey guys, I joined Twitter, I will make my first post soon.”
Equally amusing because Huang could call any media organization on the planet and have a full interview that day.
It only takes at most a few dozen folks to start it trending and then it starts to proliferate through the entire feed until it has tens of thousands of likes. It's not hard to find that many people to hit like on something like that.
This feels like Nvidia's strategy doesn't really care about the few companies they invested to pushing frontier AI, but about scaling up the amount of GPUs/datacenters needed; open models forcing more GPU purchases would drive that faster than 2 frontier labs ever could. It's likely also attractive to anyone running a GPU rental business like AWS, Azure etc. who can offer more models.
Not meant to be either pro or anti Jensen Huang, but of course the guy making nearly infinite amounts of money selling shovels is going to advocate for the position of having the maximum amount of shovel buyers.
Please don’t post generic dismissals on HN. Where here for thoughtful conversation. If you want to say something, try to say something that isn’t the same negative take that first comes to anyone’s mind if they want to say something negative. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
It's not assuming bad faith to point out that a comment is not in the spirit we're hoping for on HN and to politely ask the submitter to try to do better in future.
It is assuming bad faith to assert that an industry leader is expressing an opinion primarily for direct self-interest. And “stating an opinion shared by many” does not make for great discussion; it's repetitive and predictable and doesn't give us anything new to talk or think about.
The whole thread has been flagged now which is fine; the central topic has already had plenty of discussion here, and this thread is awful.
What's else to discuss about it ? It's not interesting, it shouldn't even be on the page. The comment above exhausts discussion space about the topic, as we all know any opposition to open weights are AI companies fearing competition
Sure, it's now been flagged off the front page, which is fine.
These lines in the guidelines are all directly or directionally relevant to this kind of comment.
Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously...
Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.
Don't be curmudgeonly. Thoughtful criticism is fine, but please don't be rigidly or generically negative.
Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.
Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something.
Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead.
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I really don't know what you're trying to say. If you look at the comment feeds of dang and me (or sctb or pg before that), you'll be hard-up finding a single day in the past 15+ years where there haven't been several comments from at least one of us (usually more) asking or reminding people to observe the guidelines. That doesn't mean we claim or even try to cleanse HN of anything bad ever being visible; the immune system takes time. But HN would not survive more than a few days if the moderation was as absent as you seem to be suggesting.
I appreciate you've been here since 2009 and are still contributing. Both of us moderators have been here similar duration. If you want HN to be better, can you do do what others do, and use the flag feature (it alerts us to bad submissions/comments and will cause items to be killed when enough people do it), or if you have things to say, explain what you mean in your comments, emails us? (hn@ycombinator.com). Plenty of longtime users do this and it helps a lot.
He’s not selling shovels, though. His product isn’t even the only one anymore. He says “people should be allowed to dig for gold”. Maybe with pitchforks and spoons, but dig. Shovels are secondary.
[dupe] Discussion on the letter (and the tweet): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49035303
How does the advertisement process work exactly? $FAMOUSPERSON joins platform and makes their first post. Were they a nobody, it would be screaming into the void.
Does the celebrity contact news outlets, “Hey guys, I joined Twitter, I will make my first post soon.”
Equally amusing because Huang could call any media organization on the planet and have a full interview that day.
It only takes at most a few dozen folks to start it trending and then it starts to proliferate through the entire feed until it has tens of thousands of likes. It's not hard to find that many people to hit like on something like that.
Employees get told to like and repost. In any large company chances are there are multiple people with large audiences.
This feels like Nvidia's strategy doesn't really care about the few companies they invested to pushing frontier AI, but about scaling up the amount of GPUs/datacenters needed; open models forcing more GPU purchases would drive that faster than 2 frontier labs ever could. It's likely also attractive to anyone running a GPU rental business like AWS, Azure etc. who can offer more models.
Not meant to be either pro or anti Jensen Huang, but of course the guy making nearly infinite amounts of money selling shovels is going to advocate for the position of having the maximum amount of shovel buyers.
Please don’t post generic dismissals on HN. Where here for thoughtful conversation. If you want to say something, try to say something that isn’t the same negative take that first comes to anyone’s mind if they want to say something negative. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
You’re supposed to assume good faith and the parent is stating an opinion shared by many.
Stiffling discussion because you don’t like the opinion is not showing that you’re here for thoughful conversation.
It's not assuming bad faith to point out that a comment is not in the spirit we're hoping for on HN and to politely ask the submitter to try to do better in future.
It is assuming bad faith to assert that an industry leader is expressing an opinion primarily for direct self-interest. And “stating an opinion shared by many” does not make for great discussion; it's repetitive and predictable and doesn't give us anything new to talk or think about.
The whole thread has been flagged now which is fine; the central topic has already had plenty of discussion here, and this thread is awful.
Shovel manufacturer says everyone should get access to a shovel, even for picking apples. I see, nothing new in the west today.
Please don't post sneering dismissals on HN. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something better here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
What's else to discuss about it ? It's not interesting, it shouldn't even be on the page. The comment above exhausts discussion space about the topic, as we all know any opposition to open weights are AI companies fearing competition
Sure, it's now been flagged off the front page, which is fine.
These lines in the guidelines are all directly or directionally relevant to this kind of comment.
Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously...
Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.
Don't be curmudgeonly. Thoughtful criticism is fine, but please don't be rigidly or generically negative.
Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.
Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something.
Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead.
If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it. Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead. If you flag, please don't also comment that you did.
Bro this place hasn't had a sense or enforcement of the guidelines for years.
I really don't know what you're trying to say. If you look at the comment feeds of dang and me (or sctb or pg before that), you'll be hard-up finding a single day in the past 15+ years where there haven't been several comments from at least one of us (usually more) asking or reminding people to observe the guidelines. That doesn't mean we claim or even try to cleanse HN of anything bad ever being visible; the immune system takes time. But HN would not survive more than a few days if the moderation was as absent as you seem to be suggesting.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49072361
I appreciate you've been here since 2009 and are still contributing. Both of us moderators have been here similar duration. If you want HN to be better, can you do do what others do, and use the flag feature (it alerts us to bad submissions/comments and will cause items to be killed when enough people do it), or if you have things to say, explain what you mean in your comments, emails us? (hn@ycombinator.com). Plenty of longtime users do this and it helps a lot.
More like "Global metal producer advocates for allowing the use of Chinese shovels in America". Still very predictable.
He’s not selling shovels, though. His product isn’t even the only one anymore. He says “people should be allowed to dig for gold”. Maybe with pitchforks and spoons, but dig. Shovels are secondary.
Well I am still happy when the shovel manufacturer's interests are in line with the interests of the people instead of the oligarchs.