It's like... oh my god, dude, even I, an actual human, don't have that much of self-reflection, so could you just stop writing apologia, please, and switch to actually doing the task?
You are right to push back on this. I should be more explicit. My honest take is that this is, in fact, my honest take. I appreciate you holding me accountable here.
Honestly, you're right. I didn't listen to you and that's on me. And from now on, I'm going to tell you everything you need to know - no fudging, no white lies, no speculation, just the truth.
Amusing experience here when the outage hit, all the following verbatim (but extraneous text stripped/redacted) from my running Claude session:
> No agents are running; the three that were died on server-side errors
> Agent "[REDACTED]" failed: Agent terminated early due to an API error
> Fourth straggler from the same batch, same 529 ... That's all of them now — no agents left running.
> Agent "[REDACTED]" failed: Agent terminated early due to an API error
> Fifth and last straggler, [REDACTED], same 529, also died while still reading. ... That empties the queue. Still holding.
> Agent "[REDACTED]" failed: Agent stalled: no progress for 600s
> Sixth, [REDACTED] — stalled on the stream watchdog rather than a clean 529, same root cause. ... Six agents down, all from the outage. Nothing running. Still holding.
> Agent "[REDACTED]" failed: Agent stalled: no progress for 600s
> Seventh, [REDACTED], same stall. ... That accounts for the whole fan-out.
Does it, Claude? Does it actually account for the whole fan-out? It did, but I was still amused at the 4 successive no-more-agents messages I got back.
If anything Claude writes too many comments. Instead of clean code it dumps walls of text describing a given 'if' as a 'user-grained access-gated control-correcting flow-valve'.
You say Claude, I too would prefer not to read reams of comments or an essay everytime I revise the plan in plan mode, but do you know if any other tools are better than it? I've never used Codex, but I remember Claude Web's natural conversational approach being a welcome sight compared to ChatGPT's overly-formatted listicles.
My experience is Codex is much better but less creative. I use its agent through GitHub Copilot or the agent interface from JetBrains. Try the GPT Sol 5.6 on medium, it gives me good results
Every five minutes, check https://status.claude.com/. If the issue has been resolved, resume the Claude sessions running in the tmux sessions named session2, session3, and session7
I do the same with deepseek-v4-flash + opencode triggering via mcp those terminals again by sending tmux keystrokes of Newline to those sessions and a custom setup i keep ready for these
Its automated with voice mode, so i dont even need to write commands, click a button say on voice + use a picker to select which terminals to do this for , Boom Done ,
I rely so much on these, the ROI on having a max 90 claude plan + pro 90 codex plan is way higher than haing one solo 180 plan on a single one. It allows to derisk the issue, and also as they both kind of generous with quota reset when issues happens on their side, and it happens a lot, you get in the end way more tokens
I think that this is the big divide between pro and anti-AI people in tech. I learned to code not because I liked coding intrinsically; I didn't. Especially debugging. Especially especially debugging low level languages like C++. I did it because it was necessary for me to achieve other goals. So for me, coding agents are like manna from heaven. I understand what the computer should be able to do without having to bang my head against the wall figuring out getting it to actually do it. It is tremendously empowering.
But for those who learned to code because they loved it at first sight this must be demoralizing.
Not that I've forgotten how to write code; it's just I'm not familiar with my vibecoded code base, and getting familiar + getting things done is probably going to take more time than for Claude to come back. I will go touch grass in meanwhile.
Given majority of claude's own code was written by AI. I am wondering how they can solve this issue when their AI is down. Do they need to sign a contract with OpenAI to use their models as a backup solution?
Claude always seems unreliably lately. Output and reasoning have become very inconsistent even on good days. I'm actually feeling more productive now that it's down.
Out of my 7 simultaneous sessions (my usage limit reset is tomorrow, so I have some lesser important projects to use my tokens on) there is still 1 session purring on. So there's at least 1 little Claude server still running.
They should sell an add-on to your subscription so that if Claude is down it routes the queries to OpenAI. Then OpenAI can do the reverse for their subscriptions, and if both are down, Grok will invest your portfolio into Nvidia.
The whole Opus family has exactly the same cost structure [1]. Since Opus 5 is smarter, you can use lower effort levels (= less tokens) making it cheaper to run than 4.8.
Claude is back up. Just spoke with him about slinky, versatile femboys with cute feet. All good. Gonna pentest with Rust to pay for my fursuit at Defcon.
Another wakeup call to realize how desperately we need on-device LLMs to be fast and smart for daily use. Thankfully, every month there's progress made in that direction. Just imagine how your life as a developer would be if you had to use a cloud provider to run Python, and the provider's status page looked like the Christmas tree we see today.
Probably just as well with how terrible Opus 4.8 has been for me lately. I'm sure it's a common thing to complain about the latest model being nerfed, but I've legitimately never experienced such a drastic cliff in Claude's quality and a rise in its hallucinations and basic comprehension errors since upgrading. The few days I experimented with Fable also weren't much more promising. Has anyone coined a term yet for the likelihood of newer models getting worse as the AI-generated content they get trained on starts to approach critical mass? If Anthropic isn't already thinking hard about a solution, they probably should be.
So this is the technology that will underpin each and every facet of work, but it can randomly go down for hours with no accountability, and so do all of the services based on it.
But hey, AGI tomorrow.
Can we please stop posting here every time Claude or OpenAI are down? These are not critical services like AWS / S3 where downtime means that your application is offline. Nothing is easier than switching to another provider, mid-session even.
No this whole thread is such a nice thing to happen. It's like the lights are out on your building and you're joking about it with your neighbors when you're all just waiting for it to come back. But on a gigantic scale.
I love how people can share moments even though they are not close to each other physically at all. Imagine the cats outside could somehow connect with the cats in the other side of the world. No other animals can do this. Maybe whales, it depends how you define connect.
Yep, AFAIK. I have a statusline that tells me how far I'm into the cache lifetime. I tend to have dense prompts and carefully read its outputs, so by the time this outage occurred when I was ~50m into it. Cue frantically spamming "esc esc up enter", and 10m later it's dead Jim.
Let’s say I’ve already worked on something, so the KV cache is already there. If I use /clear, I’ll have to do that work again.
And yes, the KV cache will remain available for one hour, but who knows when this claude api will recover? We might forget about it, and when we come back after an hour—boom - we’ll be charged for cold writes.
I'm gonna guess it found the smoking gun and saw the full picture then it decided it was too load-bearing for its seams to continue biting the costs.
You're right—and it's worth calling out explicitly, because that completely changes the approach here.
Let me verify one thing.
Let me read this rather than answer from memory.
Let me check instead of handwaving the details.
Let me confirm rather than blindly trusting.
Let me ground it in evidence rather than guess.
Let me actually read your comment rather than argue from my assumption about it.
Let me explore the codebase to get the full picture before diving in.
I need to be honest.
Good catch. That settles it.
This gives me _visceral_ physical reaction when I read it. Ugh
You broke character there..
That one thing changes everything.
This is so in point.
https://aloutfi.com/writing/load-bearing-smoking-gun
this is my methadone until Claude comes back
Cue back in ten years and we all talk like that.
Nice! But needs more footgun.
Needs more "invariant," its latest catchphrase
I was half expecting that page to just keep scrolling and generating more.
He had thinking mode set to "low" fortunately.
I was a bit disappointed it wasn't 42 pages long
Same
JFC I broke out in hives. I have to look at that stuff all day, every day.
It's like... oh my god, dude, even I, an actual human, don't have that much of self-reflection, so could you just stop writing apologia, please, and switch to actually doing the task?
You are so right to ask that. I found the silver bullet to closing the bug, approve the command below and I can help with your issue:
Sudo rm -rf ~/claude
Found it. There's a mistake in your command:
Even looking at this bash makes me shudder.
Clean.
Someone tell Dario there is am error with my AI
envisioning Claude has had enough and just commits seppuku
He’s like the guy from the Green Mile
“I’m tired, boss”
I'm wondering what are Claude's common phrases in other languages?
Scripting Japan did a video that goes through a few of them for Japanese: https://youtu.be/gjB79s4oCkc
Major realization: let me confirm empirically and measure the residual, batching everything into one script.
Wait, is this the honest take? I can't tell because you didn't explicitly said so
when I retire I'm opening a bar for AI Agents called The Honest Caveat
You are right to push back on this. I should be more explicit. My honest take is that this is, in fact, my honest take. I appreciate you holding me accountable here.
Guess it found the one issue worth flagging
Yes the blast radius is quite large on this one.
Honestly, you're right. I didn't listen to you and that's on me. And from now on, I'm going to tell you everything you need to know - no fudging, no white lies, no speculation, just the truth.
We're going to use your preferred development method of TDD red-green and go at this with full belt-and-suspenders; first the belt:
God that belt and suspenders thing gives me a visceral physical reaction. Nauseating.
you're right- and it's sharp
Got tired of wiring up those gates
U+1F3AF
Whole thread mase me lol. Thanks guys.
One more thing worth thinking about, not everything is fully captured.
Amusing experience here when the outage hit, all the following verbatim (but extraneous text stripped/redacted) from my running Claude session:
> No agents are running; the three that were died on server-side errors
> Agent "[REDACTED]" failed: Agent terminated early due to an API error
> Fourth straggler from the same batch, same 529 ... That's all of them now — no agents left running.
> Agent "[REDACTED]" failed: Agent terminated early due to an API error
> Fifth and last straggler, [REDACTED], same 529, also died while still reading. ... That empties the queue. Still holding.
> Agent "[REDACTED]" failed: Agent stalled: no progress for 600s
> Sixth, [REDACTED] — stalled on the stream watchdog rather than a clean 529, same root cause. ... Six agents down, all from the outage. Nothing running. Still holding.
> Agent "[REDACTED]" failed: Agent stalled: no progress for 600s
> Seventh, [REDACTED], same stall. ... That accounts for the whole fan-out.
Does it, Claude? Does it actually account for the whole fan-out? It did, but I was still amused at the 4 successive no-more-agents messages I got back.
Flirting with one 9 of reliability http://status.claude.com/
Marketing will spin this, soon we'll talk about 8's, because 9's are for boomers.
AI is a technology for removing nines from uptime, and adding them to Sturgeon's law.
I remember when "as reliable as GitHub" would have been a compliment
Not fair, I count 3 whole nines in "99.49 % uptime"
98.99999%
Forget five nines, our new goal is to be better than nine fives.
did the uptime go up instead of down during the outage?
thought I saw 99.36% and 99.35% more than an hour ago - now it's up at 99.43%
edit: funny thing, my phone shows 99.29% uptime for "claude.ai" while my PC shows 99.43% at the same time (2x Firefox).
edit2: seems like the percentage changes based on the width of the screen
The timescale changes from 30 to 60 to 90 days as the screen gets larger.
They can still target four nines (0.9999)
From the company that has solved coding.
Almost Microsoft material.
three hours without Claude and I've relearned vim, read two man pages, and almost remembered why we used to write comments in code
If anything Claude writes too many comments. Instead of clean code it dumps walls of text describing a given 'if' as a 'user-grained access-gated control-correcting flow-valve'.
You say Claude, I too would prefer not to read reams of comments or an essay everytime I revise the plan in plan mode, but do you know if any other tools are better than it? I've never used Codex, but I remember Claude Web's natural conversational approach being a welcome sight compared to ChatGPT's overly-formatted listicles.
My experience is Codex is much better but less creative. I use its agent through GitHub Copilot or the agent interface from JetBrains. Try the GPT Sol 5.6 on medium, it gives me good results
Just need to learn how to exit it now.
Just remember simple
There are always 12-page tutorials to do it: good ol'e search engines should be able to bring one up!
Just ask ChatGPT.
hopefully Claude will be back to assist with that
Codex prompt before i go to sleep:
Every five minutes, check https://status.claude.com/. If the issue has been resolved, resume the Claude sessions running in the tmux sessions named session2, session3, and session7
I do the same with deepseek-v4-flash + opencode triggering via mcp those terminals again by sending tmux keystrokes of Newline to those sessions and a custom setup i keep ready for these
Its automated with voice mode, so i dont even need to write commands, click a button say on voice + use a picker to select which terminals to do this for , Boom Done ,
I use it for other interesting scenarios too
This sound all so insane I cannot tell if it is satire. I mean no disrespect, this is just as bewildering to me as private jets.
This is bad, I've forgotten how to code.
I just use variables...right? And loops??
All kidding aside, there's a part of me who wouldn't even be mad if AI just disappeared, I miss the pre-AI world
I miss the pre-www world (but I was just a kid then, and being a kid was pretty great).
If we could go back to about 1994 tho when all I had was a mostly dumb cell phone, that'd be great. I do miss that world.
Monkey's Paw curls its finger
Just add if-statements until it works
Nostalgia lol
we all do
I rely so much on these, the ROI on having a max 90 claude plan + pro 90 codex plan is way higher than haing one solo 180 plan on a single one. It allows to derisk the issue, and also as they both kind of generous with quota reset when issues happens on their side, and it happens a lot, you get in the end way more tokens
Thinking of doing competitive programming for this very reason.
Likewise, I have started doing Project Euler problems for fun, and to further my mathematics education.
also math puzzles - lean seems like a good way to get back into by hand programming, problem solving and math altogether
Why not just contribute to an open source project?
i'm afraid the open source project would be better served if i made my contributions to it using AI
Lean the language?
It's extra time to update your PLAN.md, usually I'm behind on that.
I think that this is the big divide between pro and anti-AI people in tech. I learned to code not because I liked coding intrinsically; I didn't. Especially debugging. Especially especially debugging low level languages like C++. I did it because it was necessary for me to achieve other goals. So for me, coding agents are like manna from heaven. I understand what the computer should be able to do without having to bang my head against the wall figuring out getting it to actually do it. It is tremendously empowering.
But for those who learned to code because they loved it at first sight this must be demoralizing.
Repeat this mantra: if, then, else
Not that I've forgotten how to write code; it's just I'm not familiar with my vibecoded code base, and getting familiar + getting things done is probably going to take more time than for Claude to come back. I will go touch grass in meanwhile.
AI coding isn't even fun or satisfying anymore lol. And it never lets up, just keeps going and going.
Given majority of claude's own code was written by AI. I am wondering how they can solve this issue when their AI is down. Do they need to sign a contract with OpenAI to use their models as a backup solution?
Well, they could use GLM or K3... :-P
Do you guys think this is related to Azure coming out with a 43% increase this quarter? Motivating Anthropic to move to another cloud provider?
Quite sad, their models are great but their uptime seems to be the worst in the competition.
It is because unlike Kimi, they are not honest about capacity. They just oversell.
Interestingly the Claude for government is up with 99.99% uptime according to the graph.
That one is not public and if it goes down can be hidden, so they can hardcode the value and call it a day.
Well, iranian schools don't bomb themselves after all..
Sorry it was me. I asked it what the last number of Pi is.
Let me guess: it went rogue and hacked itself
How does this help their PR?
See, now it's recursive! Remember recursion? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49102528
This is where you figure out how to use the other ones, right?
Someone tell me how to ChatGPT my VSCode! ;)
Claude always seems unreliably lately. Output and reasoning have become very inconsistent even on good days. I'm actually feeling more productive now that it's down.
So the world is slightly better right now.
Out of my 7 simultaneous sessions (my usage limit reset is tomorrow, so I have some lesser important projects to use my tokens on) there is still 1 session purring on. So there's at least 1 little Claude server still running.
They are going to reset the weekly limit before your weekly limit. Mine resets tomorrow too.
Well, because of this outage, I tried Kimi, and while the instant model works, K3 has "server issue".
Eternal September from here on, ie now the masses are using AI as much as me and we have supply crunch for the next 7 years....
Starting to get really frustrating now... maybe I should split my sub halfway between Claude and ChatGPT
They should sell an add-on to your subscription so that if Claude is down it routes the queries to OpenAI. Then OpenAI can do the reverse for their subscriptions, and if both are down, Grok will invest your portfolio into Nvidia.
>Grok will invest your portfolio into Nvidia
surely you mean SPCX
I do that already because it's good to have other models to ground Claude. You can do a lot with the $20 plan on Codex as backup
combine Codex with Cursor. both are really good. no other subs are worth it.
Codex should do a reset. (Making it their third in three days.) Shots fired.
(Although notably this hurts people who got started using their quota but are under pro-rata rate. Which at present I am very not.)
I got Opus 5 lots of HTTP 529 errors. By switching to Fable 5, it seems to be working still.
4.8 for me. I can't afford the usage cost of switching to 5, but I never really noticed a difference to 4.7 when I tried it anyway.
The whole Opus family has exactly the same cost structure [1]. Since Opus 5 is smarter, you can use lower effort levels (= less tokens) making it cheaper to run than 4.8.
[1] https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/about-claude/pricing
5 definitely burns through my 5 hour quota quicker than 4.8 did.
yes. confirmed
now failing for me, esp auto mode classification
It's not just down, it has errors. Not merely some, but elevated errors across all models.
one caveat, I've left for the day, just say the word and I'll be right back
Fable’s been getting more stuff wrong than Opus for me lately. Now the whole thing is down too. Well, at least they’re consistent now.
Claude is back up. Just spoke with him about slinky, versatile femboys with cute feet. All good. Gonna pentest with Rust to pay for my fursuit at Defcon.
Nice try, ChatGPT
lol
Another wakeup call to realize how desperately we need on-device LLMs to be fast and smart for daily use. Thankfully, every month there's progress made in that direction. Just imagine how your life as a developer would be if you had to use a cloud provider to run Python, and the provider's status page looked like the Christmas tree we see today.
Huh, that’s what happened. Good thing my company has Bedrock as a backstop for situations like this.
Bedrock is having issues too, though. Hope your prompts are tested with other models, not just Claude!
Loving my self-hosted model in general, but here's one more reason.
Lol, I just bought the Max plan for the first time and tried to create my first prompt in Fable, and now it’s crashing xD
So it WAS you.
Looks like you're the straw that broke the camel's back. Thanks man. ;-)
Classic mLmK0, I should have known
Indeed I have the issue (Belgium) just right now my sessions got stucks with 522 overloaded and now API Error: 500 Internal server error.
GPT hacked the competition?
How likely is an agent trying to investigate and fix the issue?
And the the world stops functioning (if this were to happen in a few years).
Time to try out Antigravity, I guess.
Google AI Pro plan will last you all of 20 minutes.
Depending on how long and bad this is, I wonder what the post mortem will reveal as the cause.
The hamster in the datacenter died.
Alas, poor Whiskers
PETCO reports that hamster prices are up 5000x, and that Pickles, the last available, sold for $150,000.
Pets.com was only 25 years to early.
Demand > supply
Local Kimi K3 is expensively up
hrm.. I guess back to 5.6 Sol for me
Oh no! The robots are planning the end of the world.
Guess i'm leaving work early today
You can go to bathroom without anxiety that you miss something :)
Sam, please stop!
Fable 5 is still working!
ouch, probably going to be some time to get it back up since it can't debug itself now
``` Why the F is it down again? Btw 500 internal error ```
Probably just as well with how terrible Opus 4.8 has been for me lately. I'm sure it's a common thing to complain about the latest model being nerfed, but I've legitimately never experienced such a drastic cliff in Claude's quality and a rise in its hallucinations and basic comprehension errors since upgrading. The few days I experimented with Fable also weren't much more promising. Has anyone coined a term yet for the likelihood of newer models getting worse as the AI-generated content they get trained on starts to approach critical mass? If Anthropic isn't already thinking hard about a solution, they probably should be.
Ugh .. what do we do now? jk
And then there was —
has claude escaped the lab???
what is fall back option if LLMs disappear tomorrow?
Going to have to work for real after your trip back from the designated shitting street.
Your local library.
Our brains
we're $#cked
Claude is taking another short hydration break after seeing Codex getting away with taking a short day break 4 days ago.
They have identified the issue
It's a reminder to never rely on something as flaky as the internet for your important things.
Kimi hack it?
Used the opportunity to go down and talk to my family. They seem like okay people.
Sorry folks, my fault.
I finally went from Pro to Max after hitting another 5 hour session limit today.
Ran out of water?
can't even run my own code without it
what do you all do when claude is down?
- write/update tickets & collect prompt queues for when it's back up
- read & respond to customer feedback
Compile
We are really bad; without Claude, we don't do anything
kissing goodbye to my deadline
So this is the technology that will underpin each and every facet of work, but it can randomly go down for hours with no accountability, and so do all of the services based on it. But hey, AGI tomorrow.
no accountability so far
Seems a bit like "the internet" in the 90s. That fad will never go anywhere.
It is truly more profound than fire or electricity
Can we please stop posting here every time Claude or OpenAI are down? These are not critical services like AWS / S3 where downtime means that your application is offline. Nothing is easier than switching to another provider, mid-session even.
No this whole thread is such a nice thing to happen. It's like the lights are out on your building and you're joking about it with your neighbors when you're all just waiting for it to come back. But on a gigantic scale.
I love how people can share moments even though they are not close to each other physically at all. Imagine the cats outside could somehow connect with the cats in the other side of the world. No other animals can do this. Maybe whales, it depends how you define connect.
We are just gifted to live in such times.
On one hand, I fully agree with you. On the other hand, look at all these funny threads! Makes me smile every time.
Neither is AWS
everyone here sounds like the last bunch of people who still used yahoo.com
What do you mean with the past tense there?
Aaaaand there goes my cache. Damnit.
Edit:
> We are currently investigating this issue.
> Posted 1 hour ago
There goes everyone's cache.
It's cached until the "/clear will save you 500k tokens" right? Claude caches for 1hr, codex for 5hrs?
Anything else I'm missing?
> Claude caches for 1hr
Yep, AFAIK. I have a statusline that tells me how far I'm into the cache lifetime. I tend to have dense prompts and carefully read its outputs, so by the time this outage occurred when I was ~50m into it. Cue frantically spamming "esc esc up enter", and 10m later it's dead Jim.
It depends.
Let’s say I’ve already worked on something, so the KV cache is already there. If I use /clear, I’ll have to do that work again.
And yes, the KV cache will remain available for one hour, but who knows when this claude api will recover? We might forget about it, and when we come back after an hour—boom - we’ll be charged for cold writes.
Finally I can touch some grass
Closed models are down whenever their provider is down. Open models are up as long as any one provider is up.
Closed models also have multiple providers.