Because coding is solved and there’s no need for software engineers any more.
Being charitable to Anthropic though: coding is sort of solved for a very limited definition of “solved”.
Software engineering of huge distributed systems at massive scale is very much not solved, and it seems Anthropic don’t have the human capital to do it particularly well
If we want to be even more charitable to Anthropic, they're going from nothing to hyperscaler in like 3 years. I'm as happy as anyone to dunk on the general bubble situation and people claiming their technology is too dangerous to share, then something like this happens, it's hilarious. But it's still actually hard to build a service with that much usage and every org has had some outages on their way to figure it out.
I think it's because customers don't seem to mind enough to switch.
I really want to support Anthropic because of their commitments to effective altruism, but it's getting harder and harder to justify on technical merits. Sol is just faster, cheaper, and more reliable, and as good as Opus for my use cases
> I really want to support Anthropic because of their commitments to effective altruism
If you're really committed to the ideas of EA, shouldn't you dispassionately select whatever model works best for you, then make as much money as possible using that and donate it? :)
I've recently started using codex for most of my coding. Haven't looked back so far: It seems to reason deeper about the code it writes and has much less downtime.
> I really want to support Anthropic because of their commitments to effective altruism
They are doing the opposite while saying the other. Zero trust about that. They are using every malicious playbook tactic these days to increase users and be more profitable and lock-in the users. Even OpenAI feels better these days.
I mean, that’s exactly what “effective altruism” is about? Getting filthy rich and powerful no matter the methods and then the vague promise of doing something good?
> Notably, people in the latter group never assume THEY will be the ones suffering for the future.
What makes you think so? What evidence do you have?
> Yes, some people think effective altruism means helping people here and now as efficiently as possible.
Most effective altruists seem pretty relaxed about the 'here' part, but you are right that the 'now' part receives different answers from different subgroups.
> Others think the sheer number of potential sentients in the future justify any amount of suffering tolerated in the here and now.
There's also the people who care a lot about shrimp. They are less crazy than it seems at first.
It is a reliability problem - because if the API ends up rejecting 30% of the incoming queries, no one cares if it's 500 Internal Server Error or 529 Overloaded.
Having your infrastructure at the knife's edge of load to capacity also means you have no redundancy when something fails.
If this incident had happened during the day I could buy that argument. But it is happening in the dead of the night. Are there really that much people scheduling claude runs over-night, taking more capacity than day-time? (assume most claude users are west coast programmers)
My other guess is they are scheduling training runs and their capacity isolation is bad.
Only if you're incapable of throttling to assure quality of service. Are you saying they have so much demand that even their load balancers were overloaded?
There is no point having this discussion. Some people have had their brains genuinely broken by Anthropic and will defend them to the last breath, despite having no clue what they are talking about.
Clearly they just want to be down all the time. They have the ability to throttle down traffic. I have no clue why they decide to throttle it down just enough to have the worst of both worlds, throttling and incidents. Throttle more and have zero incidents, what an incredible revelation.
They didn’t want to be down so bad they rented capacity from Elon and uptime improved dramatically. Super flaky before that, they were even playing games with response quality to lighten their load nontransparently. Not sure what the issue is today. But on average, past 90 days, good availability and quality right?
One of the Anthropic salesmen told everyone to use loops all over the place, auto mode and use Fable 5 and Opus 5 with multiple sub agents.
Then it seems they forgot about their own infrastructure which goes down once every two weeks.
Looks like most of all the engineering knowledge that was needed at Google was lost after the whole org at Anthropic is now vibing their work.
Rather than screaming “coding is solved!”, “AGI with a month” and spooking everyone with the bogus mysticism of “Mythos” which now everyone has an equivalent strong cyber model, maybe keep the lights on first before plotting the next doomsday story.
It's a reminder to never depend of something as flaky as AI on the Internet for your important business processes.
Great reminder to be using multiple providers (i.e. Anthropic 1P, Bedrock, Vertex AI, Azure) with auto-fallback.
Bedrock has been fine throughout today; just pick two providers and you have much more stable Claude :)
Also, sometimes older models work fine, Opus 4.8/4.6/4.5 are worth trying.
"Coding is solved", how ironic.
Yes yes it is key that we vibe code critical infrastructure. I can't wait to see a claude-ism in my next BIOS update.
They cant solve the infrastructure problem until Claude is back up....
How they go down globally? All regions use the same infra?
It was a configuration error ...
Anthropic has constant failure since morning.
Anyone can explain why do they fail so often and so seriously? Is this inherent to managing LLMs or is their Ops really just that bad?
Because coding is solved and there’s no need for software engineers any more.
Being charitable to Anthropic though: coding is sort of solved for a very limited definition of “solved”.
Software engineering of huge distributed systems at massive scale is very much not solved, and it seems Anthropic don’t have the human capital to do it particularly well
If we want to be even more charitable to Anthropic, they're going from nothing to hyperscaler in like 3 years. I'm as happy as anyone to dunk on the general bubble situation and people claiming their technology is too dangerous to share, then something like this happens, it's hilarious. But it's still actually hard to build a service with that much usage and every org has had some outages on their way to figure it out.
I think it's because customers don't seem to mind enough to switch.
I really want to support Anthropic because of their commitments to effective altruism, but it's getting harder and harder to justify on technical merits. Sol is just faster, cheaper, and more reliable, and as good as Opus for my use cases
> I really want to support Anthropic because of their commitments to effective altruism
If you're really committed to the ideas of EA, shouldn't you dispassionately select whatever model works best for you, then make as much money as possible using that and donate it? :)
I've recently started using codex for most of my coding. Haven't looked back so far: It seems to reason deeper about the code it writes and has much less downtime.
Do you actually believe in their altruistic goals?
> I really want to support Anthropic because of their commitments to effective altruism
They are doing the opposite while saying the other. Zero trust about that. They are using every malicious playbook tactic these days to increase users and be more profitable and lock-in the users. Even OpenAI feels better these days.
I mean, that’s exactly what “effective altruism” is about? Getting filthy rich and powerful no matter the methods and then the vague promise of doing something good?
> commitments to effective altruism
That's a downside if anything.
Different folks have different preferences.
Yes, some people think effective altruism means helping people here and now as efficiently as possible.
Others think the sheer number of potential sentients in the future justify any amount of suffering tolerated in the here and now.
Notably, people in the latter group never assume THEY will be the ones suffering for the future.
> Notably, people in the latter group never assume THEY will be the ones suffering for the future.
What makes you think so? What evidence do you have?
> Yes, some people think effective altruism means helping people here and now as efficiently as possible.
Most effective altruists seem pretty relaxed about the 'here' part, but you are right that the 'now' part receives different answers from different subgroups.
> Others think the sheer number of potential sentients in the future justify any amount of suffering tolerated in the here and now.
There's also the people who care a lot about shrimp. They are less crazy than it seems at first.
Because they can’t keep up with the demand?
Struggling with demands is a performance problem, not a reliability problem.
It is a reliability problem - because if the API ends up rejecting 30% of the incoming queries, no one cares if it's 500 Internal Server Error or 529 Overloaded.
Having your infrastructure at the knife's edge of load to capacity also means you have no redundancy when something fails.
If this incident had happened during the day I could buy that argument. But it is happening in the dead of the night. Are there really that much people scheduling claude runs over-night, taking more capacity than day-time? (assume most claude users are west coast programmers)
My other guess is they are scheduling training runs and their capacity isolation is bad.
overly high demand can often put a system in an unstable state
Only if you're incapable of throttling to assure quality of service. Are you saying they have so much demand that even their load balancers were overloaded?
There is no point having this discussion. Some people have had their brains genuinely broken by Anthropic and will defend them to the last breath, despite having no clue what they are talking about.
Clearly they just want to be down all the time. They have the ability to throttle down traffic. I have no clue why they decide to throttle it down just enough to have the worst of both worlds, throttling and incidents. Throttle more and have zero incidents, what an incredible revelation.
They didn’t want to be down so bad they rented capacity from Elon and uptime improved dramatically. Super flaky before that, they were even playing games with response quality to lighten their load nontransparently. Not sure what the issue is today. But on average, past 90 days, good availability and quality right?
Everything is vibe coded, would you expect anything different?
Quick, release a new claude product then depricate it after 90 days
Mind you, They use latest Anthropic Claude models for programming. /s
One of the Anthropic salesmen told everyone to use loops all over the place, auto mode and use Fable 5 and Opus 5 with multiple sub agents.
Then it seems they forgot about their own infrastructure which goes down once every two weeks.
Looks like most of all the engineering knowledge that was needed at Google was lost after the whole org at Anthropic is now vibing their work.
Rather than screaming “coding is solved!”, “AGI with a month” and spooking everyone with the bogus mysticism of “Mythos” which now everyone has an equivalent strong cyber model, maybe keep the lights on first before plotting the next doomsday story.
> Looks like most of all the engineering knowledge that was needed at Google was lost after the whole org at Anthropic is now vibing their work.
Sorry, what does Google have to do with Anthropic's outage?
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