> Most importantly my entire family uses it. You know how difficult it was to get them to use a password manager consistently. [...] I asked my parents whether they knew of linux or dhh and they do not. Most people dont. They will ask: why move if its working and no issue with the software itself. [...] Say I find a new one, am I suppose to research what their corporate policy is and who they support. Sorry, I have a life to live.
It's just such an uphill battle to get anyone you care about to use a password manager, getting them to switch it out unless it stops working would probably be ever harder.
So if some company donated to the Python Software Foundation during during Guidos rein as BDFL, would it be fair to characterize that as "That is a contribution to an individual"?
I care far far far more about technical excellence and capability when it comes to security critical pieces of software like 1Password and as long as they demonstrate they are capable then I could care less if the founder voted Rasputin and worships Morgoth.
I don't care if the guy who made my hammer is a Pastifarian I care how well the hammer hammers, I don't care if my accountant likes to dress up as a skunk and go to conventions demanding people address him by Sir Reginald Stinkington as long as he does a good job at my taxes.
In this case it seems the concern is that the company donated to an OS project that is headed by a guy whom you don't like....
That just seems like there are plenty of other problems to address in the world.
To push this further to the logical extreme, so you're saying that if the founder was to say they are using their profits to directly fund a group who's sole purpose is to wipe out a particular ethic group that they believe has no right to exist, you'll continue your support because the product is technically excellent?
Would you care if your accountant liked to sit outside a high school and watch teenage girls with binoculars? What if a local shop owner was known to harass female employees? Everybody has a line somewhere.
In a world where capital is the only vote that counts it makes sense to vote with your money. That said, everyone should read what DHH actually said rather than this blog post before you decide on this one in particular.
On a liberal-ness scale from 1 to 10 I'm an 11, and even I can't imagine that many folks would read what DHH actually said and jump to the conclusions that these people did. This is not a Godwins law case... The dude just wants some homeless people to stop shitting in the bushes in public.
Either some people have poor literacy skills, or they just want to be mad.
> As I grow older, I am feeling the need to stand up and try to protect my values.
I agree. I'm tired of repeated bad faith interpretations of anyone who shows even the slightest disagreement with the current political milieu. Opinions that were considered anodyne in 2010 are now "far right, "fascism", and "genocide". This whole approach is grossly undemocratic as it treats half the country as a problem to be solved or worked around. This is far more authoritarian than stuff supported by many of the supposed fascists.
Merging tech and politics like this is insufferable, and most of us are tired of it.
Omacom foundation is funding good open source dev work. I see nothing wrong with that, and their response was perfectly reasonable.
If you think you can do better, start a competing foundation. Whinging about it just makes you lose all objectivity; now your opinions on actual technology are less relevant as your personal bias is on full display.
For the curious. This is the thing everyone is mad about. [0]
I'll leave it you to decide if advocating that your country deport the homeless people who are publicly defecating in the bushes makes you into actual Hitler (as he's been compared to even in this post).
Yea this was quite a post. There’s a lot of pointing at a post about immigration in England[1], and not that I agree, it wasn’t beyond the pale really. It was standard stuff. This piece is really over the top though and makes it very clear he sees those unlike him as subhuman.
I have no idea what you're implying. How does the wolf comparison make this a racism thing?
He's saying that he wants the homeless people who poop in the bushes deported because like wolves there are too many, and they're dangerous. People who poop in public are like that. It has very little to do with racism as far as I can tell.
I'm as liberal as they come, but I draw the line at shrubbery-shitting.
> I have no idea what you're implying. How does the wolf comparison make this a racism thing?
It's hilarious that political discourse is so tribal you think I'm arguing against your point.
I was trying to reinforce it by saying the wolf comparison is a current public safety concern and has nothing to do with comparing Romani to actual animals.
This seems like a very reasonable and thoughtful response. You have plenty of password manager options if it bothers you.
thanks. i had no idea.
apparently bitwarden can import data vaults super easily from 1passwd.
guess i’ll be recommending clients to bitwarden from here.
The linked toot (?) (https://social.lol/@mcn/117204227884873406) puts things in a understandable way:
> Most importantly my entire family uses it. You know how difficult it was to get them to use a password manager consistently. [...] I asked my parents whether they knew of linux or dhh and they do not. Most people dont. They will ask: why move if its working and no issue with the software itself. [...] Say I find a new one, am I suppose to research what their corporate policy is and who they support. Sorry, I have a life to live.
It's just such an uphill battle to get anyone you care about to use a password manager, getting them to switch it out unless it stops working would probably be ever harder.
It must be exhausting to be surrounded by vacuous people that don't care about what their money is going to support.
i’ve just looked, apparently it’s super easy and basically transparent to switch to bitwarden.
it apparently imports the password vaults painlessly.
i’ll check it out tonight and if it is that easy, it’ll be my new rec for people.
> Our contribution is made to the Omacom Foundation, not to an individual
However, from DHH:
> Before this can be an amazing system for everyone, it first has to be an amazing system for me, personally.
By DHH's own words, all money currently is 100% spent on DHH's desires. That is a contribution to an individual.
So if some company donated to the Python Software Foundation during during Guidos rein as BDFL, would it be fair to characterize that as "That is a contribution to an individual"?
I care far far far more about technical excellence and capability when it comes to security critical pieces of software like 1Password and as long as they demonstrate they are capable then I could care less if the founder voted Rasputin and worships Morgoth.
I don't care if the guy who made my hammer is a Pastifarian I care how well the hammer hammers, I don't care if my accountant likes to dress up as a skunk and go to conventions demanding people address him by Sir Reginald Stinkington as long as he does a good job at my taxes.
In this case it seems the concern is that the company donated to an OS project that is headed by a guy whom you don't like.... That just seems like there are plenty of other problems to address in the world.
To push this further to the logical extreme, so you're saying that if the founder was to say they are using their profits to directly fund a group who's sole purpose is to wipe out a particular ethic group that they believe has no right to exist, you'll continue your support because the product is technically excellent?
Would you care if your accountant liked to sit outside a high school and watch teenage girls with binoculars? What if a local shop owner was known to harass female employees? Everybody has a line somewhere.
In a world where capital is the only vote that counts it makes sense to vote with your money. That said, everyone should read what DHH actually said rather than this blog post before you decide on this one in particular.
On a liberal-ness scale from 1 to 10 I'm an 11, and even I can't imagine that many folks would read what DHH actually said and jump to the conclusions that these people did. This is not a Godwins law case... The dude just wants some homeless people to stop shitting in the bushes in public.
Either some people have poor literacy skills, or they just want to be mad.
> As I grow older, I am feeling the need to stand up and try to protect my values.
I agree. I'm tired of repeated bad faith interpretations of anyone who shows even the slightest disagreement with the current political milieu. Opinions that were considered anodyne in 2010 are now "far right, "fascism", and "genocide". This whole approach is grossly undemocratic as it treats half the country as a problem to be solved or worked around. This is far more authoritarian than stuff supported by many of the supposed fascists.
Merging tech and politics like this is insufferable, and most of us are tired of it.
Omacom foundation is funding good open source dev work. I see nothing wrong with that, and their response was perfectly reasonable.
If you think you can do better, start a competing foundation. Whinging about it just makes you lose all objectivity; now your opinions on actual technology are less relevant as your personal bias is on full display.
For the curious. This is the thing everyone is mad about. [0]
I'll leave it you to decide if advocating that your country deport the homeless people who are publicly defecating in the bushes makes you into actual Hitler (as he's been compared to even in this post).
[0] https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a
Yea this was quite a post. There’s a lot of pointing at a post about immigration in England[1], and not that I agree, it wasn’t beyond the pale really. It was standard stuff. This piece is really over the top though and makes it very clear he sees those unlike him as subhuman.
1: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64
One thing that needs to be noted is that the comparison to wolves isn't entirely random, it's also a current topic of political discussion in Denmark.
I have no idea what you're implying. How does the wolf comparison make this a racism thing?
He's saying that he wants the homeless people who poop in the bushes deported because like wolves there are too many, and they're dangerous. People who poop in public are like that. It has very little to do with racism as far as I can tell.
I'm as liberal as they come, but I draw the line at shrubbery-shitting.
> I have no idea what you're implying. How does the wolf comparison make this a racism thing?
It's hilarious that political discourse is so tribal you think I'm arguing against your point.
I was trying to reinforce it by saying the wolf comparison is a current public safety concern and has nothing to do with comparing Romani to actual animals.
I just didn't grasp what you meant, I thought you were saying there was some nuance to the local politics I missed. Thanks for clarifying.