You should never name a tech product Bob in the UK, because the moment it isn't perfect, it'll just get called "Bobbins" [0], especially where I'm from.
I wish IBM got better at product again, and took themselves off the services and consulting morphine they've been on for ~35 years now since OS/2 Warp flopped. Their 1980s/1990s hardware was great. Their software actually was great until Win95 took their lunch money. They've just slunk off into a corner hugging their old architectures they have a moat around, and thrown out some audacious nonsense like Watson now and again, but nothing has stuck. When is somebody in that organisation going to try and innovate properly again?
I'm not sure this is the answer I'd be rooting for.
This sounds a lot like Spotify's XIRP. They managed to vibe something useful for their own engineers, were super hyped, and decided to release it in public. However what are the odds this harness will stand the test of time against actual harness makers like OpenAI or Anthropic? Neither Spotify or IBM are focused on making models or harnesses, these are just side-products.
To be fair Codex and Claude Code don't have a lot of secret sauce either. This is not to say that the harness doesn't matter at all or that you can't do any better, but whenever they benchmark it always turns out that you don't lose that much with even a very minimal agent. If a different harness makes better sense for your workflow I don't see why you wouldn't switch (or make your own if you have the resources to do so).
I'm also sticking to first-party agents, but that's more because I feel no compelling reason to switch and CLI agents fit well with my spartan technology choices. YMMV.
The "What developers say" carousel has a single Java dev and dev advocate. They got lots of quotes from managers, directors, CEOs, and an "AI strategist".
Interesting they are renting out agent skills. You can pick up "Java Modernization" at $20 a month for "Specialist workflows to help with modernizing Java applications", or "IBM i" for "Specialist modes, workflows, and skills to work with IBM i applications".
Working with any AI tool means you trust the vendor, sometimes you don't have a choice because the best models/tools are from specific providers. IBM isn't a company I would ever trust.
Is this just a harness or using a proprietary model in the background? Anthropic and OpenAI are already very well trained in IBM system i and z knowledge. Unless Bob is somehow improving the integration to these midrange and mainframe systems I literally dont see any benefit to using Bob. IBM will just kill this proprietary tech in 5 years as they are currently doing with RDi or forget about updating it like SEU.
I believe it sends to various models in the background, So largely a harness / framework. Ibm does have its own model which is one of the options for Bob to use.
(Note, I'm an IBMer but nowhere near this so my comment is strictly from my public knowledge/awareness:).
I’m quite certain it’s a fork of Roo Code which is a fork of Cline.
When I saw earlier reviews and videos of it, I couldn’t shake the ick of IBM shamelessly forking a startup’s code. There was even some UI slop where they had some big green pulsing button.
That combined with knowing full well how inefficient the default Roo Code base prompts were, I would not be surprised if there’s some massive token churn.
The companies who are hoarding RAM to produce pointless products should be called out. Deprive working class from computing resources to sell some corporate crap. Get fucked.
You should never name a tech product Bob in the UK, because the moment it isn't perfect, it'll just get called "Bobbins" [0], especially where I'm from.
I wish IBM got better at product again, and took themselves off the services and consulting morphine they've been on for ~35 years now since OS/2 Warp flopped. Their 1980s/1990s hardware was great. Their software actually was great until Win95 took their lunch money. They've just slunk off into a corner hugging their old architectures they have a moat around, and thrown out some audacious nonsense like Watson now and again, but nothing has stuck. When is somebody in that organisation going to try and innovate properly again?
I'm not sure this is the answer I'd be rooting for.
[0] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bobbins
Also in the UK and never heard of this in my life. Guessing this is very regional?
Totally reminds me of "HP Offers 'That Cloud Thing Everyone Is Talking About'"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9ntPxdWAWq8
How you doing fellow kids?
1000
Looks like LEGO's lawyers will knock on their door soon.
This sounds a lot like Spotify's XIRP. They managed to vibe something useful for their own engineers, were super hyped, and decided to release it in public. However what are the odds this harness will stand the test of time against actual harness makers like OpenAI or Anthropic? Neither Spotify or IBM are focused on making models or harnesses, these are just side-products.
To be fair Codex and Claude Code don't have a lot of secret sauce either. This is not to say that the harness doesn't matter at all or that you can't do any better, but whenever they benchmark it always turns out that you don't lose that much with even a very minimal agent. If a different harness makes better sense for your workflow I don't see why you wouldn't switch (or make your own if you have the resources to do so).
I'm also sticking to first-party agents, but that's more because I feel no compelling reason to switch and CLI agents fit well with my spartan technology choices. YMMV.
> actual harness makers
I agree IBM Bob is not the revolution, but…
We are still in the punch card era of LLMs. Maybe even the Altair era.
None of this stuff has really been figured out yet.
Yes my first instinct is to roll my eyes at these efforts but we'll probably all get something better in the end from all the competition.
Microsoft, IBM, Apple, Meta, all the giants are always coming late to the party.
The landing/marketing page for this looks like something someone promoted/vibe coded including the Bob mascot.
Looks awful from a design perspective. Had to double check that this was the actual IBM domain
The "What developers say" carousel has a single Java dev and dev advocate. They got lots of quotes from managers, directors, CEOs, and an "AI strategist".
It's IBM. They leveraged synergies with the thought leaders they could reach out and touch base with.
Interesting they are renting out agent skills. You can pick up "Java Modernization" at $20 a month for "Specialist workflows to help with modernizing Java applications", or "IBM i" for "Specialist modes, workflows, and skills to work with IBM i applications".
markdown as a service is crazy
I lol'd so hard at this comment that it hurt.
IBM hasn't made a product that works since Db2 so I am fairly confident this is a flaming pile of garbage.
I was at an IBM Bob party, behind the scenes it's basically other frontier models with an IBM-specific context.
Is Bib Bob's partner?
https://imgur.com/a/3PQXIsQ
Nobody got fired for using IBM Bob
Pretty sure a lot of people got fired over Microsoft Bob though
Well, you could say Melinda got a big promotion for a while.
Can we say it's Bob's fault, though? Bob did it, not me.
You can
Nobody who got fired uses IBM Bob
Working with any AI tool means you trust the vendor, sometimes you don't have a choice because the best models/tools are from specific providers. IBM isn't a company I would ever trust.
Is this just a harness or using a proprietary model in the background? Anthropic and OpenAI are already very well trained in IBM system i and z knowledge. Unless Bob is somehow improving the integration to these midrange and mainframe systems I literally dont see any benefit to using Bob. IBM will just kill this proprietary tech in 5 years as they are currently doing with RDi or forget about updating it like SEU.
Thought this was going to be about Microsoft Bob.[0]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob
I'm really confused what this is, is it a harness or a new model by IBM? Some reviews on that page suggests that it's a new model
I believe it sends to various models in the background, So largely a harness / framework. Ibm does have its own model which is one of the options for Bob to use.
(Note, I'm an IBMer but nowhere near this so my comment is strictly from my public knowledge/awareness:).
This can only mean that IBM Clippy is next.
I like how the solitary review is word salad.
Too late ?
The logo, the name... Horrible marketing/branding.
I thought the image was a joke, but you really pay with Bobcoins.. lmao
https://bob.ibm.com/pricing
31 years after Microsoft Bob, IBM releases it's own IBM Bob. :)
I thought MS killed that name forever.
It's like they're begging for failure
Call it PC Bob
At least it's not Clippy?
At least it's not Clippy(2)
The review that "IBM Bob isn't just another autocomplete tool" tells you everything you need to know about this product. lol.
Bobcoins. Hehe.
I’m quite certain it’s a fork of Roo Code which is a fork of Cline.
When I saw earlier reviews and videos of it, I couldn’t shake the ick of IBM shamelessly forking a startup’s code. There was even some UI slop where they had some big green pulsing button.
That combined with knowing full well how inefficient the default Roo Code base prompts were, I would not be surprised if there’s some massive token churn.
I used Bob extensively at an IBM acquisition, it was absolutely dreadful. Bobcoins.
ibm desperately clinging to relevancy by hopping on the LLM bandwagon.
This is embarrassing. It would have been better to release nothing than this.
Should have been IBM Tom, after legendary IBM CEO Thomas J. Watson. But perhaps they didn't want to sully his name.
IBM already have IBM Watson which is probably named after the CEO
Bobalytics
Not to be confused with Microsoft Bob:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob
Not to shit on their effort or anything, but it looks like a VS Code fork + an agent panel which is very ... late 2024 energy?
Lost opportunity to call it Hal
I'm surprised they didn't use Watson.
They already have an AI product line dubbed Watson: https://www.ibm.com/products/watsonx
I bet this will be as successful as Microsoft Bob.
My guess is absolutely nobody on the team that made this is even old enough to remember Microsoft Bob.
Oh, so we are yet again in the 'Bob' phase?
Maybe this time it'll work.
ibm bob, will help you make slop
The companies who are hoarding RAM to produce pointless products should be called out. Deprive working class from computing resources to sell some corporate crap. Get fucked.
I never thought the day that IBM would make complete slop.
But it is IBM after all.
> But it is IBM after all.
Then how did you not see that coming?
“I would expect something like this from IBM, but I never expected it from IBM!”