Hi, Peter the Founder of Pushin.eu here. Sorry, the website escaped containment and landed on HN before I had the chance to update the "marketing materials" aka. landing page. So, here are a few points:
*The product is stable, but still in development. That's why some of the core things like pricing, etc. are missing. BUT:*
1. Business Model: Pushin will have subscriptions for individuals and teams. Pricing is not yet decided but it'll be close to GitHub/GitLab pricing.
2. Privacy: In true German fashion, we *don't* want your private data. Pushin doesn't track anything beyond the obvious: email, password hash, username, whatever information you put on your profile.
3. Roadmap: We're currently in Beta, but everything looks good so far. We'll probably go GA beginning of 2027. I'll focus on delivering the core features first and make sure that they are polished and of good quality before moving on to the nice-to-haves.
4. I say "we" but it's really only me (Peter Ullrich, peterullrich.com) and my dog (Bella, Labrador, beige). "We" are not VC funded, but bootstrapping on bare metal Scaleway servers. My wish is for this to become a proper company soon though.
5. Tech-stack: Elixir (Phoenix + LiveView) for most parts, Rust for the Git parts, S3-compatible buckets and Postgres on Scaleway, servers are bare metal Scaleway servers running in Paris.
6. Git implementation: Just like Tangled, I've used Rust and the gitoxide libraries to build a Git implementation that's fully compatible with the canonical Git CLI, but uses S3-compatible buckets as storage instead of keeping the entire repo on disk. I'll write in-depth about this soon, but it's very much what Tangled did, just with a different storage concept.
I gotta be honest that I'm both scared but also excited that Pushin hit HN. I wish we'd be better prepared, but here we are. Many thanks to anyone who is willing to try it out!
> Pushin doesn't track anything beyond the obvious: email, password hash, username, whatever information you put on your profile
This seems poorly worded or genuinely concerning. Why do you want to track my email, username or anything in my profile. What do you do with it? How do you track it?
"Track" means "store" here and we need to store it for authentication (email+password hash) and to show your public profile (e.g. https://pushin.eu/pjullrich). So, regular things, not tracking you for data mining stuff
Congratulations! I'm hooked.
The AI slop block is what I like to learn more about. The FAQ does not include AI slop. Can you elaborate a bit on it please.
I wouldn't want to host software, or really any published work, in a legal regime that doesn't have something equivalent to the American first amendment.
And many people wouldn’t want to host in America because the first amendment doesn’t really protect you from the whims of the US government, which at the moment are pretty fucking random, and the US government gives itself rights to access any/everything hosted by US companies.
Yes, we can't block models from scraping the public repos and train on them, but *we* won't use your code (neither public nor private) to train models on them. We really only want to host your code and do that well.
Regardless of that, these don't seen to play for the same audience.
Codeberg Terms of Use[^0] makes it clear that it's only for "projects covered by a licence for free and open source software, free and open source hardware, or free cultural works", and "You must not share projects that mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools". They also only provide private repos where the FOSS system need it for their infra or what not, and not just for any purpose.
These are totally fine for Codeberg to do, and it's wonderful for FOSS!!
However it is not a viable place for many projects that are on GitHub/GitLab now and would want to migrate, say: any commercial project, that would need "permission-free" private repos, or when the teams want to decided themselves how much generative AI their developers should use, not their Git-hosting provider...
I'll introduce subscriptions soon, we're currently still in invite-only beta, but the subscriptions will be very much like GitHub/GitLabs with individual and team pricing.
Yes, sorry this escaped containment before I was able to update the landing page. Since the product is in invite-only beta still, I focused on the UX of the platform instead of the "marketing materials" aka. Landing page
Trust is not "marketing materials". Folks trust that you keep those promises, that their code ist safe. Your product is trust, not the application. Code and application are just the vehicle to deliver that.
Thank you! Sorry about that, this post on HN caught me before it was ready. Upload limits are: 5GB for logs, 5GB for artifacts, 10 GB cache. These limits will probably change once I introduce a paid trier (same limits there, lower limits on the free tier)
I was never really blockchain-something. It was all the hype when I finished my software engineering masters (around 2017/18), so to understand the technology better I started a Podcast and wrote my master thesis about it. I never used it or worked in it afterwards though and I never thought it'd become more than a scam unfortunately
Hi, Peter the Founder of Pushin.eu here. Sorry, the website escaped containment and landed on HN before I had the chance to update the "marketing materials" aka. landing page. So, here are a few points:
*The product is stable, but still in development. That's why some of the core things like pricing, etc. are missing. BUT:*
1. Business Model: Pushin will have subscriptions for individuals and teams. Pricing is not yet decided but it'll be close to GitHub/GitLab pricing.
2. Privacy: In true German fashion, we *don't* want your private data. Pushin doesn't track anything beyond the obvious: email, password hash, username, whatever information you put on your profile.
3. Roadmap: We're currently in Beta, but everything looks good so far. We'll probably go GA beginning of 2027. I'll focus on delivering the core features first and make sure that they are polished and of good quality before moving on to the nice-to-haves.
4. I say "we" but it's really only me (Peter Ullrich, peterullrich.com) and my dog (Bella, Labrador, beige). "We" are not VC funded, but bootstrapping on bare metal Scaleway servers. My wish is for this to become a proper company soon though.
5. Tech-stack: Elixir (Phoenix + LiveView) for most parts, Rust for the Git parts, S3-compatible buckets and Postgres on Scaleway, servers are bare metal Scaleway servers running in Paris.
6. Git implementation: Just like Tangled, I've used Rust and the gitoxide libraries to build a Git implementation that's fully compatible with the canonical Git CLI, but uses S3-compatible buckets as storage instead of keeping the entire repo on disk. I'll write in-depth about this soon, but it's very much what Tangled did, just with a different storage concept.
I gotta be honest that I'm both scared but also excited that Pushin hit HN. I wish we'd be better prepared, but here we are. Many thanks to anyone who is willing to try it out!
> Pushin doesn't track anything beyond the obvious: email, password hash, username, whatever information you put on your profile
This seems poorly worded or genuinely concerning. Why do you want to track my email, username or anything in my profile. What do you do with it? How do you track it?
"Track" means "store" here and we need to store it for authentication (email+password hash) and to show your public profile (e.g. https://pushin.eu/pjullrich). So, regular things, not tracking you for data mining stuff
(sorry I got excited and shared it)
Congratulations! I'm hooked. The AI slop block is what I like to learn more about. The FAQ does not include AI slop. Can you elaborate a bit on it please.
Thx for the info. Good luck with the project. There is most definitly a market for this, especially after the Codeberg activist takeover.
I wouldn't want to host software, or really any published work, in a legal regime that doesn't have something equivalent to the American first amendment.
I don't want to host in a country where a wannabe king breaks the law continously, who treats former allies like enemies etc etc
Which country do you recommend? Offshore on my own boat?
The radio caroline of git hosting
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:12...
Thinking that European countries don't have freedom of speech or press tells me all I have to know about you and where to put your comment
And many people wouldn’t want to host in America because the first amendment doesn’t really protect you from the whims of the US government, which at the moment are pretty fucking random, and the US government gives itself rights to access any/everything hosted by US companies.
Its specifically based in France. This matters as EU law is less uniform than US law (yes, like differences between states, but a lot more so).
The UI is a lot snappier than Github.
The promise not to train models on the code is not very useful for public repos, and I cannot see anything about private repos.
Yes, we can't block models from scraping the public repos and train on them, but *we* won't use your code (neither public nor private) to train models on them. We really only want to host your code and do that well.
https://codeberg.org/
also fits the description of "Git hosting that never leaves Europe".
Regardless of that, these don't seen to play for the same audience.
Codeberg Terms of Use[^0] makes it clear that it's only for "projects covered by a licence for free and open source software, free and open source hardware, or free cultural works", and "You must not share projects that mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools". They also only provide private repos where the FOSS system need it for their infra or what not, and not just for any purpose.
These are totally fine for Codeberg to do, and it's wonderful for FOSS!!
However it is not a viable place for many projects that are on GitHub/GitLab now and would want to migrate, say: any commercial project, that would need "permission-free" private repos, or when the teams want to decided themselves how much generative AI their developers should use, not their Git-hosting provider...
So yeah, different ballpark.
[0]: https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/src/branch/main/TermsOfUse...
I think this maybe needs some more time, to figure out what the actual plan with this is - if any.
The humour is there: https://pushin.eu/orgs/mctestface/members (Boaty Mac Boat Face ref mentioned)
Yes, that's my test organization :)
I just moved from github to vodeberg then to my own self hosted forgejo on hetzner. I may wait awhile and then try yours.
You shouldn't allow repos without descriptions. Do people really cannot be bothered to write one sentence that describes the repo?
I would want to know the pricing before I’d move anything there.
It should cost money - I just want to know how much.
It will!
I'll introduce subscriptions soon, we're currently still in invite-only beta, but the subscriptions will be very much like GitHub/GitLabs with individual and team pricing.
Nice idea, zero trust signals. Don't even see company details or the folks behind and no legal pages.
Yes, sorry this escaped containment before I was able to update the landing page. Since the product is in invite-only beta still, I focused on the UX of the platform instead of the "marketing materials" aka. Landing page
Trust is not "marketing materials". Folks trust that you keep those promises, that their code ist safe. Your product is trust, not the application. Code and application are just the vehicle to deliver that.
great idea, sadly full of vibe-code. I assume it was prompted by copying the style of some existing EU-style Design system.
Idea is promising though, hope it matures into something solid.
Try this git hosting, for a change: https://mikhailian.mova.org/posts/305-looking-for-a-european...
Congrats, great project. More info would be appreciated, I.E upload limit in GB for each and in total?
Thank you! Sorry about that, this post on HN caught me before it was ready. Upload limits are: 5GB for logs, 5GB for artifacts, 10 GB cache. These limits will probably change once I introduce a paid trier (same limits there, lower limits on the free tier)
>Bots are welcome. Slop gets blocked.
And yet the marketing copy is egregious AI slop.
Smells vibe coded.
There's a sign of life on the elexir forum: https://elixirforum.com/t/macro-mayhem-004-peter-announces-p...
There's a possibility this was made by a person. Apart from that good luck getting any information behind this.
That's true, that's me! My personal website is peterullrich.com
So you are switching focus from blockchain-something to EU-something?
Hm.
I was never really blockchain-something. It was all the hype when I finished my software engineering masters (around 2017/18), so to understand the technology better I started a Podcast and wrote my master thesis about it. I never used it or worked in it afterwards though and I never thought it'd become more than a scam unfortunately